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2014-11-19
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Originally Posted by shmerl
No, that's not what I mean.
He said this:
Which means, you need hardware acceleration for the compositor, and for that they'll use Android GPU EGL driver with libhyrbris to run Wayland.
And he said:
All the above sounds like he claims that Intel's kernel driver for their GPU isn't accelerated. I don't get it, since it should be accelerated. So it's really confusing. The bad news - their release will use Android junk blobs for the GPU.
What is needed is a quality HW composer library and API, which takes GPU layers together and in a fast way overlays them using a HW part. KMS is still in it's infancy regarding that.
When you use HW composer to compose together GPU buffers/layers (which is a production API one in Android drivers), you also need to use gralloc, which then means you also need to use Android libGLES.
It may very well be possible to get Mesa plus Wayland plus KMS going on the thing. But when it comes to a relatively short HW adaptation period, I'd much prefer to work using known-working hardware adaptation setups and focus on making the experience performant and great for users.
We're dealing with a 2K resolution display here. We need to really push performance.
It may shock a few to discover that IA-Android doesn't actually use Mesa for Android.
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2014-11-19
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#433
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
So, does it mean that Intel's driver on the desktop isn't good either? So how does it work now? Or X.org dependencies have different performance situation than Intel's driver that can be used for Wayland?
What is needed is a quality HW composer library and API, which takes GPU layers together and in a fast way overlays them using a HW part. KMS is still in it's infancy regarding that.
When you use HW composer to compose together GPU buffers/layers (which is a production API one in Android drivers), you also need to use gralloc, which then means you also need to use Android libGLES.
At least if that's going to improve in the future, things can get better with newer kernels / Mesa.
Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Are those drivers from Intel closed?
It may shock a few to discover that IA-Android doesn't actually use Mesa for Android.
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2014-11-19
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#434
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
The real question is:
No, that's not what I mean.
What is needed is a quality HW composer library and API, which takes GPU layers together and in a fast way overlays them using a HW part. KMS is still in it's infancy regarding that.
When you use HW composer to compose together GPU buffers/layers (which is a production API one in Android drivers), you also need to use gralloc, which then means you also need to use Android libGLES.
It may very well be possible to get Mesa plus Wayland plus KMS going on the thing. But when it comes to a relatively short HW adaptation period, I'd much prefer to work using known-working hardware adaptation setups and focus on making the experience performant and great for users.
We're dealing with a 2K resolution display here. We need to really push performance.
It may shock a few to discover that IA-Android doesn't actually use Mesa for Android.
candy crush in 60 fps?
Just hope this time you manage to get a good deal for the hackers out there, no locked bootloaders and images for recovery and stuff
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2014-11-19
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#435
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Originally Posted by shmerl
https://github.com/android-ia/hardware_intel_ufo
So, does it mean that Intel's driver on the desktop isn't good either? So how does it work now? Or X.org dependencies have different performance situation than Intel's driver that can be used for Wayland?
At least if that's going to improve in the future, things can get better with newer kernels / Mesa.
Are those drivers from Intel closed?
Could be worse.
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2014-11-19
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#436
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Originally Posted by Stskeeps
Sure that perfectly understandable and I'm totally fine with that! I'll just be happy as long as someone who does have the time and/or the requirements can hack together what is needed to get it working with "normal" open source drivers on their own (or for their distro).
It may very well be possible to get Mesa plus Wayland plus KMS going on the thing. But when it comes to a relatively short HW adaptation period, I'd much prefer to work using known-working hardware adaptation setups and focus on making the experience performant and great for users.
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2014-11-19
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Originally Posted by Rauha
But a new Jolla Phone will also go through pre-order so that means you'll be not buying it.
Decided finally not to get one.
-(Almost) no need
-Wifi only
-How badly Jolla handled the phone pre-orders last year.
But its six months until release and obviously they will have "regular" sales later on. Maybe buy one when they are in shops.
Really wanting a new model Jolla phone though.
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2014-11-19
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#438
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Hello guys. I think nieldk need help. I just found this https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/j...rtup/x/9179347 .
Let's help him
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2014-11-19
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#439
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Originally Posted by vistaus
I doubt that it will be Wifi only being a phone and I actually need one.
But a new Jolla Phone will also go through pre-order so that means you'll be not buying it.
Anyway, you fanbois should try to allow at least bit of criticism. Jolla did screw up their last pre-order shipments big time. Its ok to say so. Try not to have a panick attack if some one points to the fact.
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2014-11-19
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@ Germany
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#440
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Originally Posted by wicket
Are you sure about that? I mean, theoretically it's possible - but will it be so implemented in Sailfish?
It also means full OpenGL acceleration (not GL ES) via Mesa.
Best regards,
Jaracz
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And the story continues...
Nokia 5110 --> Nokia 3210 --> Nokia 8210 --> Nokia 7250i --> Nokia 6500 Slide --> Nokia N97 mini --> Nokia N9 --> BB Z30 --> Jolla C
Nokia 5110 --> Nokia 3210 --> Nokia 8210 --> Nokia 7250i --> Nokia 6500 Slide --> Nokia N97 mini --> Nokia N9 --> BB Z30 --> Jolla C
Are the slides of Marc's presentation available somewhere? I thought they were a really nice overview if Jolla so far.