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billranton	2016-01-31 , 21:10
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Originally Posted by gerbick

Clear cut to me.

Yes, I understand that they sold the existing stock on to some bloke down the pub when things went bad, and it can't be recalled. But Jolla stated that they have the money to refund 6k worth of tablets now, so why aren't 6k tablets being produced with that money right now? That's a large run, and they could be taking tablet orders in the store to increase that number. The financial crisis hit when they were about to go into full production, so now it's resolved, why is the tablet still dead?

	Dave999	2016-01-31 , 21:17
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Could it be that money isn't the answer? Could it be that they will get out of hw deal even if they can afford it but wants to skip all the work with another hw product(shipping and support) and bet their last chance on sw and licensing which has been their goal all along?

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	mosen	2016-01-31 , 21:25
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Originally Posted by billranton

why is the tablet still dead?

If you trust Jolla, the answer was given in latest communiqué and is "not all parts available anymore"!

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	mosen	2016-01-31 , 21:36
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Originally Posted by Dave999

Could it be that money isn't the answer? Could it be that they will get out of hw deal even if they can afford it but wants to skip all the work with another hw product(shipping and support) and bet their last chance on sw and licensing which has been their goal all along?

Ahhh, and thats why Marc and the others left silent, they could not stand the obvious fraud against us backers.
Perfect Dave, you are on to something.
Not.

Situation is a total mess as it is right now.
Any plan of that sorts would have produced an outcome that would not hurt one party and make it the winner of some sorts.
Everybody loses = Nobody profits = No "qui bono" situation = no conspiracy.

billranton	2016-01-31 , 21:41
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Originally Posted by mosen

If you trust Jolla, the answer was given in latest communiqué and is "not all parts available anymore"!

Yeah, that's where I started on this. In August/September they were taking pre-orders, and ramping up for full production, but now it can't be made due to discontinued parts? Still doesn't add up.

My best guess is that they are following up on an executive decision to get out of the hardware business after it's nearly killed them so many times. It may not be very profitable to distribute the remaining stock and refund the rest of the backers, but there's a whole lot less can go wrong than if they tried to finish the production, even now they have a finished product. Cutting their losses while they still have some investment cash left to push the software.

JulmaHerra	2016-01-31 , 21:49
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Originally Posted by billranton

Yes, I understand that they sold the existing stock on to some bloke down the pub when things went bad, and it can't be recalled. But Jolla stated that they have the money to refund 6k worth of tablets now, so why aren't 6k tablets being produced with that money right now? That's a large run, and they could be taking tablet orders in the store to increase that number. The financial crisis hit when they were about to go into full production, so now it's resolved, why is the tablet still dead?

We can be quite certain that components were ordered to build the devices and that they were manufactured (mind you that they already had difficulties getting all the needed components). Now the majority of the batch has been sold to Chinese retailer. It's not likely they can be pulled back from the market.

Why Jolla doesn't produce more tablets then? As per their own statement, the manufacturer doesn't have all the components and some of them are not available any more. Most likely alternative components would be available, but they would have to be sourced, tested, possibly some things had be redesigned etc. which would in best scenario be something like two months before the devices roll out if there are no hiccups. If there was a hiccup (like there have been many many times with this projects), there would be even more delays, blown budgets etc. IF the manufacturer would even agree to produce more for Jolla.

So, even if Jolla has some money, the only sensible decision is to call it quits to limit the damage already done and to avoid the risks involved in trying to continue already badly failed attempt. There are times when one simply has to admit the defeat and move on.

tommo	2016-01-31 , 21:56
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Originally Posted by billranton

Yeah, that's where I started on this. In August/September they were taking pre-orders, and ramping up for full production, but now it can't be made due to discontinued parts? Still doesn't add up.
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So, you think they might have told us a little lie?

	pichlo	2016-01-31 , 21:59
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Originally Posted by billranton

My best guess is that they are following up on an executive decision to get out of the hardware business after it's nearly killed them so many times. It may not be very profitable to distribute the remaining stock and refund the rest of the backers, but there's a whole lot less can go wrong than if they tried to finish the production, even now they have a finished product. Cutting their losses while they still have some investment cash left to push the software.

In other words, whatever "official" reason Jolla give in their blog post is BS. Exactly what I was saying. It is staggering that some people actually still trust them and even ask others to grow up

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	Dave999	2016-01-31 , 22:03
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You guys will be so supriced when the russians are behind all this...

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billranton	2016-01-31 , 22:27
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Originally Posted by pichlo

In other words, whatever "official" reason Jolla give in their blog post is BS. Exactly what I was saying. It is staggering that some people actually still trust them and even ask others to grow up

It's not a question of trust, it's about assessing their motivations. To dismiss them as liars spouting BS is just childish. Think about things for a while, and we might be able to figure out what they'd like to tell us, but can't.