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2011-08-21
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sigh, something we've all suspected/known for a long time, Ari finally opens his mouth:
http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/08/21/a...-inside-nokia/
http://mynokiablog.com/2011/08/21/ar...ffect-symbian/
I think the management just didn't believe meego could cover all price points. Its the same now, they only think in numbers. Meanwhile the "resource hug" android has taken over the smartphone world.
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2011-08-21
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Originally Posted by aironeous
"Ari jaaksi: Symbian was a religion inside Nokia"
Exactly: All Nokia Employees believed in a religion called Symbian. When they got home from work they would bow down before the Symbian god and give thanks for their daily bread.
And him leaving Nokia in no way was him trying to get more money for doing the same or less work and taking advantage of what he learned from his juniors working on meego or symbian.
"According to him year ago MeeGo was in a very bad shape inside the company."
Yes meego was in such bad shape. For a brand new operating system it should just sweep past all other operating systems very quickly even faster than Andriod. I mean come on people! snap and pop,..... snap and pop.
"Organisation build around MeeGo back then was made impossible to work in that I could not see how I was able to do my job. – Jaaksi"
You see, he could not see how he could do his job!
Therefore it is the groups fault and they are Symbian religious and he is completely justified in accepting a big check from another company to work elsewhere.
"HP wanted me in every way possible more than Nokia and i’m not just talking about my paycheck. – Jaaksi"
HP wanted him people,.... In every way! More than Nokia. And he's not just talking about his paycheck, no way! What's a paycheck?
"He says that Nokia made huge mistake by not going after MeeGo earlier and more seriously. Something i’m sure every other people thinks as well, especially after seeing that Swipe UI."
And he's not just saying that after the fact because everyone else on the internet is saying that. He is saying this now because he feels compelled to say how much he likes meego even though he left for another company with another OS.
He never saw the swipe UI before all of us did and it was impossible for him to do his job even though he was head of maemo/meego.
"Biggest worry inside Nokia was not how good Maemo 5/N900 was or how much it could sell, but how it would affect Symbian. – Jaaksi"
Yes people he is right on this one because everybody knows that all the employees beneath him were completely unaware that a device can boot more than one OS so it ALWAYS HAS TO BE THIS OS OR THAT OS, choose because you can't have both. It can't be 2 at once. Therefore all symbian employees underneath him that liked symbian were anti maemo and vice versa.
What are you going on about....
Harmattan was most definitely in bad shape, it should have been way further along.
The original goal was to be done by roughly Dec...
I think we've fallen "way" past that date now, don't you?
Then think of the anemic/experimental ("step 5 of 6") backing of Maemo 5 before all that.
I wonder why that is?
And no harmattan wasn't screwed by the UI re-write, that was a symptom of the wider interdepartmental conflict.
You come across as being defensive of Symbian for some bizarre reason.
Symbian was given a far better chance, one that resembles the parable of "the emperors new clothes".
He never saw the swipe UI before all of us did
And he was instrumental in moving towards the UI that Harmattan has now.
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2011-08-21
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Samsung Looking for a second OS. It can be windows or meego and soon after that android is losing ground 
The n9 is the starting point to kick android back to US where it belong.
The n9 is the starting point to kick android back to US where it belong.
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2011-08-21
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@ aironeous: Frankly, I don't get your attitude. Ari did indeed contribute a hell of a lot to maemo. He was one of the prime movers and shakers before he left for HP. Look at the way maemo was treated within Nokia: they released just one phone with maemo and completely snubbed it afterwards, even though it was ready for prime time, or very near it, and continued releasing cookie cutter symbians that became a running joke for phone geeks everywhere.
HP may have chickened out of webOS, but for a while it seemed that they really wanted to make the OS succeed, and treated the community as well, if not better, than Nokia treats us. Ari was not married to Nokia, nor did he sign an oath in his own blood in a moonless night while linux neckbeards chanted around him to stay for ever in Nokia's maemo department. It was not his duty to swim against the current and make maemo succeed while the Nokia board ooohed and aaaaahed and hmmmed when it came to actually supporting the damn OS. Maybe HPalm payed him more, maybe it didn't. But whatever the truth is, if there is one person in this story that does not deserve blame or spite for Nokia's situation now, it's probably Ari.
HP may have chickened out of webOS, but for a while it seemed that they really wanted to make the OS succeed, and treated the community as well, if not better, than Nokia treats us. Ari was not married to Nokia, nor did he sign an oath in his own blood in a moonless night while linux neckbeards chanted around him to stay for ever in Nokia's maemo department. It was not his duty to swim against the current and make maemo succeed while the Nokia board ooohed and aaaaahed and hmmmed when it came to actually supporting the damn OS. Maybe HPalm payed him more, maybe it didn't. But whatever the truth is, if there is one person in this story that does not deserve blame or spite for Nokia's situation now, it's probably Ari.
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2011-08-21
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Originally Posted by giorgosmit
You just described Elop there
Very much not funny. Even comedic exageration has its limits, and comparing a CEO to a lunatic with an army of goons at his disposal is well past that.
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and the goons at his disposal are Microsoft 
.I rest my case.
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2011-08-21
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Originally Posted by afaq
Elop's Nokia is closing Nokia Stores, as they are planning to sell WP devices mainly through the operators. Nokia's own online shops are being axed too.
Not the one I visited in Bangkok but I accept that this might be happening. Also curious as to the reason.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
They have Bada, Android and WP7. What do you mean by "second"?
Samsung Looking for a second OS.
The n9 is the starting point to kick android back to US where it belong.
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Anyway, I had suspected what Ari revealed. While Elop is not without blame for the mess Nokia is in, the set in stone ways of the company and insisting in pushing a decidedly dated in user friendliness OS has also played a key role. Every large company has internal dynamics and Maemo was probably the red haired child in Nokia long before Elop came in charge.