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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by My-Symbian.com
You're obviously upset about being called a fanboy. Look at how you're acting... overly emphatic about something that you're only a customer about and defending a stance based on only one (read: your) account.
Are you trying to say that I am the only person on this whole maemo.org forum who DOESN'T have random reboots? Now, that's REALLY interesting. It must be MY eyesight that's broken then, because what I see is that it's the small MINORITY that has such issues, and not vice versa. But I'm just a fanatic fanboy, so I'm obviously biassed and plainly wrong.
If you can't take words like piranhas, fanboy, et al and have to resort to sheer anger, perhaps you need to remove your feelings and communicate civilly.
I have.
And what do you expect me to say, other than I am deeply sorry about them, which I already said several times?
Seems like this community is interested in helping folks... mostly.
I am not Nokia, I can't fix it for them, you know?
All I can do is to compassionate with them, and - to be honest - be happy that my unit is not affected. I really waited long for this device, actually ever since I got the N800 years ago and then the N810 I dreamed about Maemo device with GSM/3G radio. I got it and I enjoy it very much, and that's because I find it stable and fast. If it had serious bugs, I would complain about it as much as those other people, and as much as I complained about (or actually CONDEMNED) the N97 for all its bugs and issues and refused to review it on my site as I found it NOT SUITABLE for review. Does this also make a fanboy of me?
And, as I wrote, in my N900 review to be published next week, I *will* include quite a long list of things I don't like about the N900 or find annoying or affecting its functionality.
The only thing I am arguing with you about is that all I wrote was that I don't have the issue those other people have, while you stubbornly convince everyone (including me) that I said something different as if my posts weren't there for everyone to check what I said.
I'm not saying you've ignored those people, it just seems like talking about those things instead of talking about the positive points is going on way too much around here. I've been rather vocal about the shortcomings of the iPhone. I simply cannot go to another phone with a new set of similar problems I've had to endure - No MMS, a few UI inconsistencies, random reboots (yep, I've had 4 iPhones that have done that) and other pertinent information (read: pertinent to me due to my experiences) is what I'm personally looking at and going after.
Oh, so in addition to fanboy and fanatic I am now also the piranha... I really admire your offending skills.
Instead... well, you know. Sad that curiosity is met with vitriol.
Me? Compare how many insulting words I wrote in my posts addressed to you (ZERO, NONE, NULL) to all those piranhas, fanatics and fanboys you throwed at me and then we'll talk about who's pushing this discussion to personal squabbles.
If anything, typing in all caps online is considered "shouting". Asking a person for their personal data so you can share your wealth of "colorful verbiage" (another paraphrase) is a threat. And I've maintained a very calm demeanor and yet the fuss is all about two words and not what I'm talking about instead... that's misdirection due to perceived anger from you.
I'd rather discuss what the findings are. I have no need to discuss personal feelings or feel threatened. That's not what this community is about... nor should it become that either.
I'm done. Again, congrats with your site, I'll await a notice as to your review. I responded earlier with my personal e-mail in this thread. I have nothing to hide, I'm a curious potential owner that wants to know the good and the bad sans Steve Jobs reality distortion field half-truths. My patience will not allow it.
Take care.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Bratag
What issues with Android are you referring to, I have had a G1 since launch. The browser was always kick *** (no flash but thats pretty normal for mobile phone browsers..) GMail integration was flawless. I mean it was missing quite a few features but the ones that were there were pretty much bulletproof.
For iPhone comparison arguments see above post. The fact is the N900 IS CAPABLE of running many things BECAUSE of the hardware and the OS that the iphone cannot.
As far as Android kicking sort of *** its taken a year and 4 releases of the OS to get to that point and believe me when I say I had one of the first G1's and went through MUCH pain before it got to this point.
If you like come back in a year when the N900 and maemo 5 have been out for 12 months and if the issues still exist I might let you make the Android comparison
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by MountainX
Haha that video never gets old. That's how I felt when the iPhone finally got A2DP and I realized it had no AVRCP.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tyk2_hMNaQ
So far, the only strategy that seems to have worked is Apple's, which really pisses me off. They are control freaks but, to their credit, they brought order to the world of smartphones in 2 years. They have an app store, ipod functionality, easy backup via iTUnes etc. Essentially all you have to do is connect the phone to your PC and it's all done...I have not experienced that with ANY Nokia products so far.
Nokia is still stuck in "release new hardware every 6 months with the same crippled software" mode. Why and why should anybody even care? Android is also starting to take off so there are quite a few choices out there. I'm still amazed that 2-3 years later Nokia is still dazed from the iPhone. I am also amazed that I am stuck using a product I don't really like simply because it gets the job done extremely well.
Here's an example
iPhone:
1. Press sturdy button on top, slide finger on glass to unlock....great feeling.
2. Press safari and watch the butter smooth zoom efect while it oppens.
3. Start scrolling through the page looking for stuff...perfectly smooth scrolling.
4. Throw the phone back in my pocket...done.
N900:
1. LOOK for the button on the side and slide it down...or press the button on top.
2. If button on top, slide my finger across the display, watch the choppy animation of the slider...hmmm.
3. Press the browser and wonder what happened to the other 30 frames that were dropped from the zoom effect while it pops up
4. Go to a page and try scrolling while it's loading and watch checkered patterns for a good 5 seconds every time I scroll.
5. Done loading, I can finally find stuff.
6. LOOK for the button on the side to lock the phone and put it back in my pocket.
Open source is great and I love the ability to tinker with my devices to hell and back. Let's face it though...Does anybody here think open source can compete with paid for apps...with possibly dozens or paid programmers working on them? Maybe in a few rare cases...Generally though, open source translates to "it works" but that's about it. This will fall EXTREMELY short of the new standard, which is user experience. There are 20 billion phones out there and they all go online...However, only a few will do it smoothly. Enthusiasm is starting to change to dictatorial demands from consumers because of all these choices. It's my way or after the 20 second review you're out.
I would love to see the open source community step up their game but it hasn't happened in all this time with Linux, what makes you think it will happen with Maemo?
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2009-11-27
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This is getting a bit out of hand right guys, everything has flaws, after all its designed by humans. We have UI inefficiencies, we have physical button issues, we have open/close software issues, we have LED/xenon flash issues, LCD issues, you name it. NOTHING IS PERFECT.
The purpose of this thread is simply to provoke a response and keep it dragging as the title suggests.
If the hardware you bought didn't meet your expectations write about it on your blog.
If you have serious issues and want to resolve it by the help of the community I suggest a better title and provide better data with evidence.
For all those who are comparing phones, I have seen the average person who can't turn off BT on WinMo, a dude who can't turn off random internet access on his iPhone, another who don't know how to make a new contact on a Nokia, and the very common sync know how with iPhone/iPod. These are all average people. You can't make something suit everybody period.
The point is everything has cons & pros. Flaming around ain't gonna fix nothing.
The purpose of this thread is simply to provoke a response and keep it dragging as the title suggests.
If the hardware you bought didn't meet your expectations write about it on your blog.
If you have serious issues and want to resolve it by the help of the community I suggest a better title and provide better data with evidence.
For all those who are comparing phones, I have seen the average person who can't turn off BT on WinMo, a dude who can't turn off random internet access on his iPhone, another who don't know how to make a new contact on a Nokia, and the very common sync know how with iPhone/iPod. These are all average people. You can't make something suit everybody period.
The point is everything has cons & pros. Flaming around ain't gonna fix nothing.
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2009-11-27
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I don't think the point is flaming; Personally I get frustrated when I know Nokia can do better, but yet they keep doing the same sort-of-working-but-not-elegant cr@p. When you look at the iPhone's smooth scrolling, and then hear the n900 with the same hardware is all jerky and stuttery, how can that not tick you off? You know they COULD get it smooth, but because of schedules or whatever they didn't spend the time on it to perfect it.
And I think that's the problem. It seems like Apple doesn't release something until it's as perfect as possible. They don't even talk about stuff that is in the pipeline - the iPhone was only mentioned 5 months before rollout when for the most part the hardware and software was done. Nokia talks about the future devices way too early and they end up rushing everything to get it out as quickly as possible because everyone knows it's coming.
I think Nokia would be better served by NOT telling us what the roadmap is and releasing products after they're good and ready - They can't keep rushing everything to make some target that the marketers, and not the engineers, set.
And I think that's the problem. It seems like Apple doesn't release something until it's as perfect as possible. They don't even talk about stuff that is in the pipeline - the iPhone was only mentioned 5 months before rollout when for the most part the hardware and software was done. Nokia talks about the future devices way too early and they end up rushing everything to get it out as quickly as possible because everyone knows it's coming.
I think Nokia would be better served by NOT telling us what the roadmap is and releasing products after they're good and ready - They can't keep rushing everything to make some target that the marketers, and not the engineers, set.
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Anthrobug
And I think that's the problem. It seems like Apple doesn't release something until it's as perfect as possible.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm sorry, that was really funny. But seriously, Apple does a decent job but it's still far from perfect.
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They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-11-27
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Apple's laughing their way to the bank...
Of course stuff they make isn't perfect, I did write as perfect as possible but I should have wrote 'as polished as possible'. That's really what I wanted to say...
Of course stuff they make isn't perfect, I did write as perfect as possible but I should have wrote 'as polished as possible'. That's really what I wanted to say...
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2009-11-27
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Even then Apple's releases are buggy and updating the operating system whether it's the iPhone or Snow Leopard has had problems. Most people just don't remember that because they get blinded by the marketing.
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Originally Posted by ysss
They're maemo and MeeGo...
"Meamo!" sounds like what Zorro would say to catherine zeta jones... after she slaps him for looking at her dirtily...
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2009-11-27
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Originally Posted by Megacrazy
Android would like to call your open source complaints and raise you a great mobile phone OS. Maemo looks very competent from what I can tell without first hand experiences. Spending almost $600 to see it in my hand isn't something I'm excited about though.
...Does anybody here think open source can compete with paid for apps...with possibly dozens or paid programmers working on them? Maybe in a few rare cases...Generally though, open source translates to "it works" but that's about it. This will fall EXTREMELY short of the new standard, which is user experience. There are 20 billion phones out there and they all go online...However, only a few will do it smoothly. Enthusiasm is starting to change to dictatorial demands from consumers because of all these choices. It's my way or after the 20 second review you're out.
I would love to see the open source community step up their game but it hasn't happened in all this time with Linux, what makes you think it will happen with Maemo?
Honestly, I don't think Maemo has a chance next to Google throwing $$ behind Android in the US. Maybe in Europe...
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Their mobile contracts subsidise the handset, and they become eligible for a "free" upgrade after enough contract time has expired, and not necessarily eligable to lower the contract rental price if they don't take a new handset.
Because of that, it's not entirely irrational for a developer like Nokia to assume that a fair proportion of the user base will move onto new hardware.
I kept one handset for ~7 years and consider the whole upgrade cycle rather crazy, but you really can get shiny new kit quite regularly if you play along, even on low cost contracts.