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fatalsaint	2010-05-27 , 19:38
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Originally Posted by nosa101

I really don't get the complaining. I've said it before and i'll say it again, apart from the Nexus One running Froyo, what other device has flash 10.1?

I think there's a difference between complaining and looking to the future. Nobody argues, AFAIK, that the N900 doesn't offer the best mobile experience right now.

But if companies only looked at the now.. nobody would ever get anything tomorrow.

There have been announcements for Android, WinMo, Symbian for those communities to be waiting.

For us there has been silence; except for one well respected member and internal source.

Turning a blind eye to things is no more better an answer than needless "complaining".

I love my N900, I'm not a troll on these forums, I don't whine or complain pointlessly - but I do have no problems calling out problems/inconsistencies/concerns when I see valid ones. I don't even like flash.. I use flash blocker. But I'm also not ignorant, and I realize that a very large number of very popular websites do use flash - and to continue to get the "full" web experience in the near future that will include Flash 10.1.

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	pantera1989	2010-05-27 , 19:42
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Originally Posted by Texrat

If that ever really happened then problem solved.

But I have my doubts.

Here's my source. However looking back at it it is not an official source: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/632853

And look at THIS!! Early 2010..really!
http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/it...n_the_N900.php

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kevinm2k	2010-05-27 , 19:45
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I contacted adobe and asked them for there opinion. The impression I got is that they were working on something but wouldn't say anything about it. They basically said, 'You must ask Nokia we are not permitted to talk about our involvement in bringing flash to our partners devices'.

I have emailed Nokia asking them, not for time lines but just an answer, so we'll see

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fatalsaint	2010-05-27 , 19:45
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Originally Posted by Texrat

I'm not saying Nokia doesn't, either. I'm saying that the statements here claiming "it can only be Nokia's refusal" are logically flawed until we hear something conclusive.

Well wait... I didn't mean to come off as implying that.

I said that, to date, that is the only possible reason I (me, myself, maybe Irene too) can fathom.

It makes little->no sense to me for Adobe to have pulled the plug *after* demoing it. But as you said, it's happened before with other companies so it's not definitive by any means... I just doubt it.

Also, things could be totally out of context like Woody said: Maybe qole's source was meaning that Nokia was not going to be releasing 10.1 for the N900... but that doesn't stop Adobe from releasing an installable DEB file for it. Or an installable addon package for Firefox that already is on the N900.

Nothing at this point is definitive. It's just, to me so far, if the N900 never gets an official flash from either party - I can only see it being a business decision from Nokia.

Now, I am sure the N900 will get it *some* how.. especially with MeeGo/Harmattan being on identical hardware, and Harmattan even having some shared roots with Maemo - an "unofficial" copy of the .so file will likely work. Will that be legal? ... debatable I'm sure... but that isn't going to stop people from distributing it for "Flash 10.1".

So still.. I just see no upside for Adobe to have pulled the plug.

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nosa101	2010-05-27 , 19:48
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint

I think there's a difference between complaining and looking to the future. Nobody argues, AFAIK, that the N900 doesn't offer the best mobile experience right now.

But if companies only looked at the now.. nobody would ever get anything tomorrow.

There have been announcements for Android, WinMo, Symbian for those communities to be waiting.

For us there has been silence; except for one well respected member and internal source.

Turning a blind eye to things is no more better an answer than needless "complaining".

I love my N900, I'm not a troll on these forums, I don't whine or complain pointlessly - but I do have no problems calling out problems/inconsistencies/concerns when I see valid ones. I don't even like flash.. I use flash blocker. But I'm also not ignorant, and I realize that a very large number of very popular websites do use flash - and to continue to get the "full" web experience in the near future that will include Flash 10.1.

I'm not turning a blind eye to it but i'm not at the Nokia offices with pitchfork in hand. If Nokia puts out a MeeGo device with flash 10.1, then we can conclude that were got screwed over.

At this point, we know nothing.

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fatalsaint	2010-05-27 , 19:50
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Originally Posted by nosa101

At this point, we know nothing.

Yes.... but when the vast majority of everyone else does... this is a problem.

Apple fanbois at least, to my knowledge right now, have a pretty definitive "No" with Mr. Jobs being quite Anti-Flash/Pro-HTML5 and Adobe being rather ticked at Apple for .. whatever.

Our Symbian bretheren, they have an answer.

Same company, different OS... we got nothing.

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	Texrat	2010-05-27 , 19:53
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint

So still.. I just see no upside for Adobe to have pulled the plug.

Since this thread is 95% speculative let's continue in that vein.

What if for whatever reasons the Flash 10.1 plugin that was demoed will work in Maemo but would require retooling for MeeGo? Depending on how it's coded I could see that being a possibility. So what if Adobe says "Time out Nokia-- you killed the natural upgrade path for what we were working on, we think your user base for Maemo will be too small now, and we see no reason to commit resources to it any more. So, plug pulled. We're moving the team 100% to MeeGo."

Now, someone can poke a hole in that by showing that there would be no such code migration issues.

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nosa101	2010-05-27 , 19:56
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint

Yes.... but when the vast majority of everyone else does... this is a problem.

Apple fanbois at least, to my knowledge right now, have a pretty definitive "No" with Mr. Jobs being quite Anti-Flash/Pro-HTML5 and Adobe being rather ticked at Apple for .. whatever.

Our Symbian bretheren, they have an answer.

Same company, different OS... we got nothing.

Symbian is going with Flash Lite 4. I'm using the n8 as a basis for this conclusion.

WinMo and Palm haven't announced anything. I'm guessing RIM will go the Flash Lite route too.

Nobody really knows anything. I'm going to guess the Nexus One got it so early because Adobe views Android as Apple's direct competitor. They seem to be in bed with Android as far as I'm concerned. Didn't they give all their employees Android phones a while back? Putting it on the Nexus One seems like giving Apple the middle finger. Hopefully once this childish tirade is done, an effort to port it to other systems will be made

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fatalsaint	2010-05-27 , 19:56
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Originally Posted by Texrat

Since this thread is 95% speculative let's continue in that vein.

What if for whatever reasons the Flash 10.1 plugin that was demoed will work in Maemo but would require retooling for MeeGo? Depending on how it's coded I could see that being a possibility. So what if Adobe says "Time out Nokia-- you killed the natural upgrade path for what we were working on, we think your user base for Maemo will be too small now, and we see no reason to commit resources to it any more. So, plug pulled. We're moving the team 100% to MeeGo."

Now, someone can poke a hole in that by showing that there would be no such code migration issues.

Ok fair enough....

But looking at that scenario (as it's a very valid complaint) - I'm not exactly sure Adobe is quite at fault there

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