Yes, sorry, didn't mean it in an offensive way. Just that the bulk of what he said was the last drop to plonk him. Is the amended version better?

Let me guess. Do they... sell fish? (Fnar fnar. )

He didn't say that. What he said was that he would leave it up to others to decide for themselves what they should do.

No, that's effectively the situation that his actions are bringing about. Everyone knows that Jolla's financial situation is tight, and if everyone tried at once to get their tablet money back in this way, the company would default on the debt and most would get nothing. The best way for everyone to get a refund is to wait for the announced plan to unfold. Every person who forces a refund through their cc company, makes it a little less likely that everyone else will get their refund.

Which is why I agree with vitaminj and condemn prometheus's actions.

But marxian is right, prometheus did say exactly, "I do not encourage anyone to do the same, it is totally up to them whether they decide to stick with Jolla, wait for them to (if they ever) issue them a refund, donate that money (that they so happily implied in their blog post) or whatever..."

In other words, "it's up to you whether you want to play with everyone or be selfish and inconsiderate like me."
Not, as nieldk implied, "only I can be selfish and inconsiderate, screw everyone else".

If I am misinterpreting neildk's words, then I apologize.

Yay! We're arguing again!



No seriously folks... there's no need. We should be able to commiserate and hopefully find a better way to expend our energy. But that's my childish hope for a group of obviously intelligent people...

No more arguing. Let's conclude that Jolla is scammers and a company we can't trust until all are fully refunded.

Sorry, Dave, I can't agree with that. Not all of that anyway.
A company you cannot trust? Definitely. Scammers? I don't think so.

What do you call a company that set up a webshop, selling stuff they don't have. Deliver nothing. Payback nothing, not even communicate to those customers?

In my country it's scam, fraud or somewhere in between

How about we agree that you're instigating **** and above all this was yet another crowdfunding attempt that unfortunately went south? It happens.