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	GeneralAntilles	2008-04-22 , 17:52
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Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

In order to not move backward:
1. DO NOT increase the size of the tablet (from N810). I like the N810's small and thin profile.
2. DO NOT remove the keyboard. For God's sake that was an improvement from the N800 and some people want it gone.

The problem is, what you see as moving backward, I see as good ideas. No two people are going to share the same idea for the ideal device (despite Texrat always trying to integrate us into his creepy hive-mind

). One man's must-have is another man's oh-dear-christ-NO! This is exactly the reason that Nokia needs to diversify the tablet lineup with more varied offerings (I've covered the topic a number of times already in this thread).

A little increase in size (compared to the N810) for halfway-decent storage, perhaps better battery life and more features is a good tradeoff for me. My pockets aren't tiny and I don't have any trouble carrying the N800.

I don't much care for the N810 keyboard (though my experience with it is rather limited) and the whole slider deal with the terrible button placement puts me off, especially with the rest of hardware compromises they had to make to fit that in there. I type just fine on the fullscreen keyboard, and actually prefer it a lot of the time.

Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

5. ADD A PIM SUITE. There is just no reason not to. The whole "but this is not a PDA" excuse just doesn't fly. The customer is always right and many customers say they want a PIM.

I say again, software costs time and money! Personally, I'd rather see that time and money put into more useful things.

Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

Oh, and one more thing. The N900 should have a screen flush with its surface. I hate the way the screens on the tablets are recessed.

I wouldn't be against a small decrease in depth (could give us more room for internal compenents), but flush screens are definitely not my thing. Way too scratchable and breakable (especially considering that our screens are largely made of softer stuff than those Apple offerings).

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salomc	2008-04-22 , 18:00
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Originally Posted by Texrat

HEY! I recommended that in the maemo scroll bar bug report.

That's really a great idea. Could you give us the bug report number or link? I need to vote on this one.

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MstPrgmr	2008-04-22 , 18:05
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Originally Posted by Benson

/me slams mstprgmr over the head with tiny, keyboardful, flush-screen tablet.
SLAM! SLAM! SLAM!

Now I feel better. I'm not even gonna touch the bezel issue again...

The only way to keep the size of the N810 is to shrink the screen. That's bad, so let's not. (No, leaving the d-pad on the slider is not an option; the d-pad is essential and must be brought back out. How do you control music playback with the tablet in your pocket with no d-pad?!?) Also, the N810's combination of thinness and slider required de-pivoting the camera; it should be centered above the screen, but still with 270 degree pivot. Pivot down (pointing straight into tablet) to keep the lens clean and for privacy concerns.

And as for the keyboard, perhaps you're confusing the N900 with the N910? Really, if I can have a tablet cheaper with no keyboard, I will. Because I use it as a laptop replacement, I usually have my BT keyboard anyway, and the on-screen boards are not as bad as some people think. I think there should keep being two models; I'd gladly take the N900, you can take the N910, and we can both be happy.

If you examine your N810 you will see the screen in the center and two real estate areas surrounding that. The camera, ambient light sensor, and two buttons occupy one of those areas and the other area is not being used. You could use the area not being used to make modifications, or you could set the screen to be off center and have even more space. Increasing the size is not necessary.

Also, the keyboard is a must. Yes you can use a bluetooth keyboard but not everyone has that or wants it. I want to type on the go, and have the slide out keyboard there for use anytime. The N810 is a nice small pocketable device. Increasing the size and adding a bluetooth keyboard to boot destroys that profile.

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	Texrat	2008-04-22 , 18:05
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Originally Posted by salomc

That's really a great idea. Could you give us the bug report number or link?

Sure! It's bug 1252. Again, sachin's great suggestion is a little different than mine so he may want to add his comments there... and VOTE!

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MstPrgmr	2008-04-22 , 18:12
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles

The problem is, what you see as moving backward, I see as good ideas. No two people are going to share the same idea for the ideal device (despite Texrat always trying to integrate us into his creepy hive-mind ). One man's must-have is another man's oh-dear-christ-NO! This is exactly the reason that Nokia needs to diversify the tablet lineup with more varied offerings (I've covered the topic a number of times already in this thread).

A little increase in size (compared to the N810) for halfway-decent storage, perhaps better battery life and more features is a good tradeoff for me. My pockets aren't tiny and I don't have any trouble carrying the N800.

I don't much care for the N810 keyboard (though my experience with it is rather limited) and the whole slider deal with the terrible button placement puts me off, especially with the rest of hardware compromises they had to make to fit that in there. I type just fine on the fullscreen keyboard, and actually prefer it a lot of the time.

I say again, software costs time and money! Personally, I'd rather see that time and money put into more useful things.

I wouldn't be against a small decrease in depth (could give us more room for internal compenents), but flush screens are definitely not my thing. Way too scratchable and breakable (especially considering that our screens are largely made of softer stuff than those Apple offerings).

It seems like there are two main types of people when it comes to size. Some want to see the tablet bigger, the other smaller. The bigger group wants the keyboard removed because they like the onscreen (horrible!) or carry a bluetooth keyboard. The smaller group likes a thumb keyboard because they don't carry around a bunch of crap and want a truly pocketable device.

You seem to be on bigger tablet side of the fence and I on the smaller tablet side. I like just being able to carry my wallet, keys, phone, and N810. That's it. And I can fit them all in my (non baggy or huge) jeans.

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	sachin007	2008-04-22 , 18:14
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Originally Posted by Texrat

Sure! It's bug 1252. Again, sachin's great suggestion is a little different than mine so he may want to add his comments there... and VOTE!

I already did vote for that bug and also updated my comments regarding the transparent feature......

Anything else BOSS?

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	GeneralAntilles	2008-04-22 , 18:16
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Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

You seem to be on bigger tablet side of the fence and I on the smaller tablet side. I like just being able to carry my wallet, keys, phone, and N810. That's it. And I can fit them all in my (non baggy or huge) jeans.

s/N810/N800/ and maybe throw a Leatherman in there from time to time. My jeans are certainly not baggy or huge and everything definitely fits.

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	sachin007	2008-04-22 , 18:18
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Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

It seems like there are two main types of people when it comes to size. Some want to see the tablet bigger, the other smaller. The bigger group wants the keyboard removed because they like the onscreen (horrible!) or carry a bluetooth keyboard. The smaller group likes a thumb keyboard because they don't carry around a bunch of crap and want a truly pocketable device.

You seem to be on bigger tablet side of the fence and I on the smaller tablet side. I like just being able to carry my wallet, keys, phone, and N810. That's it. And I can fit them all in my (non baggy or huge) jeans.

I will take the larger size if they give me a 5" screen. That size will nail the portable tablet market for nokia. And no way can they go more than the size of the n800. May be then can use the extra space on the right border of the n800 where there is the right speaker and extend the screen to the edge with 2-3 buttons like on the right most corner .... just like the 7710. That way it can be used for many more games.

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	Texrat	2008-04-22 , 18:19
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Originally Posted by MstPrgmr

It seems like there are two main types of people when it comes to size. Some want to see the tablet bigger, the other smaller.

THREE groups: I'm comfortable with the current N810 size.

And I agree with Benson: continue with at least 2 distinct offerings: 1 with keyboard, 1 without. NOTE: that is NOT even remotely official!!!!!!!

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