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2010-09-19
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#42
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
At this point, I'm not even clear as to what happened when. Did Nokia talk to Nemein first, reach agreement with them on the handover, and then mention it to you/council? Can you please just clearly state what happened and when?
You don't want the community to be in complete control of the resources allocated to maemo.org? Surely it's a no-brainer, and the discussions on the result of that will be continuing, in public, next week.
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2010-09-20
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#43
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Originally Posted by SD69
For practical reasons, the first thing that happened was the maintenance agreement between us and Nokia. Not really a big deal, as it was just a modification to the model we've already been maintaining and developing maemo.org with for years (I know Nemein is not really familiar name here, but we've been involved with the community since the Nokia 770 days).
At this point, I'm not even clear as to what happened when. Did Nokia talk to Nemein first, reach agreement with them on the handover, and then mention it to you/council? Can you please just clearly state what happened and when?
When the paperwork was out of the way it was time to start figuring out how things actually ought to be run, and for that we approached the council.
But as Jaffa already wrote, making the management of maemo.org more community-oriented was so obviously the right thing to do that it didn't need much discussion
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2010-09-20
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#44
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Does this in any way in imply that we will get any form of source code?
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2010-09-20
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#45
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So Nokia finally wash their hands. I assume with the passing of maemo.org they will also be washing their hands of the responsibility of the bugs (not that I expect they take notice anyway) but also the voting and caring side of the bugs which is where we all vote and they try and fix the ones we need the most?
Probably not but I can't see if anyone has made sure there is still some assurance they will try for a bit at least to look like they care enough to check the bugs list etc. Rather than just being true to form and ignoring the platform
I know I am a cynic and I still think PR1.3 will be it, should it ever arrive and this is them cutting their ties in having to listen to us.
Probably not but I can't see if anyone has made sure there is still some assurance they will try for a bit at least to look like they care enough to check the bugs list etc. Rather than just being true to form and ignoring the platform
I know I am a cynic and I still think PR1.3 will be it, should it ever arrive and this is them cutting their ties in having to listen to us.
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2010-09-20
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#46
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Originally Posted by twigleaf1976
There are two separate things: maemo.org as a developer community, and Maemo 5 as an OS. The proposed handover deals with the former, though it may also open doors for things with the latter, like possibilities for creating community SSUs for the N900.
So Nokia finally wash their hands. I assume with the passing of maemo.org they will also be washing their hands of the responsibility of the bugs (not that I expect they take notice anyway) but also the voting and caring side of the bugs which is where we all vote and they try and fix the ones we need the most?
Regardless of what happens with Maemo 5 when MeeGo comes out, I think the maemo.org community has a good chance to stay relevant. This is a community with a true free software spirit that can provide software and support for devices as long as the community itself is interested in them (see the recent community SSU for Maemo 4 as an example). Maybe we can also provide services for MeeGo developers that the official meego.com doesn't (for example Garage and Packages can be just as useful for MeeGo and Harmattan as they've been so far for Maemo development).
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2010-09-20
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#47
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Originally Posted by bergie
Thanks for the reply. Is it a six month contract renewable at the option of Nokia? When is the next renewal date? And can Nemein and maemo.org decide things like the extent of volunteer maintenance on infrastructure w/o any knowledge or consent by Nokia?
For practical reasons, the first thing that happened was the maintenance agreement between us and Nokia. Not really a big deal, as it was just a modification to the model we've already been maintaining and developing maemo.org with for years (I know Nemein is not really familiar name here, but we've been involved with the community since the Nokia 770 days).
When the paperwork was out of the way it was time to start figuring out how things actually ought to be run, and for that we approached the council.
But as Jaffa already wrote, making the management of maemo.org more community-oriented was so obviously the right thing to do that it didn't need much discussion
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2010-09-20
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#48
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Originally Posted by bergie
Nitpick: that particular door is already open (but you know that:
it may also open doors for things with the latter, like possibilities for creating community SSUs for the N900.
see the recent community SSU for Maemo 4 as an example
BTW, one related issue that's not quite clear at the moment is the fate of the nokia.com repositories. I assume these will not be handed over, but will Nokia continue hosting them for the foreseeable future or should we start making local copies for personal use?
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2010-09-20
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Originally Posted by lma
For Diablo at least, I think we should go ahead and move local copies to Nemein.
) - the main enabler was this (it'd probably be a good idea to get explicit permission for Fremantle as well) plus X-Fade helpfully creating the repositories (but at the end of the day the hosting location is just a cosmetic detail).
BTW, one related issue that's not quite clear at the moment is the fate of the nokia.com repositories. I assume these will not be handed over, but will Nokia continue hosting them for the foreseeable future or should we start making local copies for personal use?
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2010-09-20
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#50
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Originally Posted by SD69
Yes, see the meeting minutes.
Is it a six month contract renewable at the option of Nokia?
When is the next renewal date?
And can Nemein and maemo.org decide things like the extent of volunteer maintenance on infrastructure w/o any knowledge or consent by Nokia?
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