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2009-09-01
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Originally Posted by johnkzin
Wow! way off track with great leaps and bounds
...Which version of "civic responsibility" do you design for, with guns? The version of 'civic responsibility" which says "all adult citizens will carry" (true in some municipalities in the US), the version that says "all households will have one" (also true in some municipalities), or the version that says "guns shouldn't exist at all". All 3 are valid versions of "civic responsibility", and yet are very different design cases.
This isn't an invitation to a gun debate, this is an illustration that "civic responsibility" is both "in the eye of the beholder" and "an easy avenue for elitist attempts to impose a point of view upon a populace"...
You can modify NIT's in the past to provide portrait mode and until we see the N900, I'm not going to assume you can't with that as well.
Just like you can saw off the barrel of your shotgun to make it easier to bring into church on Sundays... or with the help of an internet provided tutorial, modify your assault rifle to full "rock & roll" in order to keep the neighborhood kids off your lawn.
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2009-09-01
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@ Oxford, UK
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#43
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Originally Posted by qgil
Ooh, thanks for that qgil. I wasn't aware that those items will be open source. Which other of the Nokia-supplied apps will be open-source, if interested people wanted to hack portrait mode into them - is there a list somewhere?
since both desktop and dashboard are all open source, you will be able to start hacking on them as soon as we release Maemo 5 final.
By the way, I think the litigation stuff should be moved to Off Topic. There are plenty of reasons for wanting one-handed portrait mode other than while driving.
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2009-09-01
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#44
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Originally Posted by YoDude
I don't see Nokia "promoting" using heavy machinery and driving while texting in landscape or portrait mode.
You're right. However, if the manufacturer promoted the fact that their hammer is also a good way to open walnuts and it is this activity that leads to injured thumbs...well; wouldn't you agree it is in the manufactures best interest to drop promoting their hammer as a nut cracker?
At most, the product should come with a warning that says "Some uses of this product increase the risk of thumb injury. The user should be aware of safety risks, and take proper precautions when using the device."
Profit and ethics of conviction are not mutually exclusive... However, I sometimes also think that within the past 25 years, "Only in the US" do we think the opposite is true.
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2009-09-01
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@ Mountain View (CA, USA)
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#45
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The call related UI is common to VoIP and cellular calls and is available both in portrait and landscape mode, based on the orientation of the device.
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2009-09-01
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@ Mountain View (CA, USA)
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#46
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Camera: if you are really in a hurry open the lens and press the shot button in the orientation you prefer. This is no different than any camera you had in the past.
I'm personally more than skeptical about any app that is in only one mode (e.g. landscape) but just a few features are available in the other mode as well. There might be few well reasoned and intuitive exceptions, but for the most part... Users will be confused or plainly disappointed by trying to offer them "more" and even those skilled to use those apps in the right way might end up building good triceps with all this rotation.
I'm personally more than skeptical about any app that is in only one mode (e.g. landscape) but just a few features are available in the other mode as well. There might be few well reasoned and intuitive exceptions, but for the most part... Users will be confused or plainly disappointed by trying to offer them "more" and even those skilled to use those apps in the right way might end up building good triceps with all this rotation.
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2009-09-01
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Originally Posted by qgil
I assume that the hacking tricks done for portrait mode won't get undone with a subsequent software update like the N8x0?
Again, the Hildon Input Method framework is open source so if you *really* want one maybe someone can give it a try.
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2009-09-01
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@ Houston
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I hope the community hacks the rotation support as soon as possible like they did for the previous tablets. I dont care if the widgets are not well arranged in the potrait mode......but what i do care is that potrait mode is as important as the landscape mode.
Just because nokia says landscape mode is the ideal mode it doesnt mean that they are right and the device can be only used in the landscape mode.
Bottom line... Nokia had 2.5 years to support potrait mode in the default applications. For whatever reason it failed to do it. I truly understand that they worked on the rest of the OS and made it very nice, but i expected the n900 to be perfect.... it is not anymore.
There is really no exception for nokia for not including the following:
1. MMS
2. DUN/PAN
3. Portrait mode
4. Portrait mode keyboard
5. Fm receiver application
After knowing all these deficiencies the n900 has fallen down from super phone to just another phone, because these are pretty basic functions. I always ridiculed my iphone friends that they never had MMS, tethering etc.... now i guess it is my chance.
Just because nokia says landscape mode is the ideal mode it doesnt mean that they are right and the device can be only used in the landscape mode.
Bottom line... Nokia had 2.5 years to support potrait mode in the default applications. For whatever reason it failed to do it. I truly understand that they worked on the rest of the OS and made it very nice, but i expected the n900 to be perfect.... it is not anymore.
There is really no exception for nokia for not including the following:
1. MMS
2. DUN/PAN
3. Portrait mode
4. Portrait mode keyboard
5. Fm receiver application
After knowing all these deficiencies the n900 has fallen down from super phone to just another phone, because these are pretty basic functions. I always ridiculed my iphone friends that they never had MMS, tethering etc.... now i guess it is my chance.
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2009-09-01
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Originally Posted by qgil
It's not that easy. Isn't T9 patented? I assume that's what most people would want from portrait mode text input.
Again, the Hildon Input Method framework is open source so if you *really* want one maybe someone can give it a try.
Anyway, what are the chances of you actually shipping any of these ideas?
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2009-09-01
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@ ˙ǝɹǝɥʍou
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#50
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@qgil:
re: camera
(as I mentioned in my post about camera) I'm not that concerned about the UI orientation of the camera app, I just want to make sure that the shutter button position can be easily and securely reached with a one handed grip.
Most smartphone with a dedicated shutter button positions it where a shutter button would be located on a conventional camera (top right side when the device is in landscape position) and this isn't the optimal position when you're holding it one handed in portrait mode. Anyway, as long as there's a soft button on screen with active area near the right side of the screen in camera mode, then it should be fine
@sachin: your chance? you mean your turn to get *** ****d?
Last edited by ysss; 2009-09-01 at 14:04.
re: camera
(as I mentioned in my post about camera) I'm not that concerned about the UI orientation of the camera app, I just want to make sure that the shutter button position can be easily and securely reached with a one handed grip.
Most smartphone with a dedicated shutter button positions it where a shutter button would be located on a conventional camera (top right side when the device is in landscape position) and this isn't the optimal position when you're holding it one handed in portrait mode. Anyway, as long as there's a soft button on screen with active area near the right side of the screen in camera mode, then it should be fine
@sachin: your chance? you mean your turn to get *** ****d?
Last edited by ysss; 2009-09-01 at 14:04.
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