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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by loukkis
Indeed, if you upgrade via operating system, it will do like that, but if you flash the device with os image, operating system has little or nothing to do to prevent user error.
Originally Posted by sjgadsby
C'mon, sjgadsby, a smarter flashing tool would have suggested it!
C'mon, Dan, don't troll. I know you now hate Nokia, love Android, and won't get within one hundred yards of an N900 for fear of irreplacable stylus disease, but you've used Diablo. You know Maemo does encourage the user to use, and even offers to launch, the Backup application at the start of the SSU process.
Sure, you could dismiss my criticism as a simple ranking maneuver, but that's just a convenient way to dismiss a good idea out of hand. Considering most BIOS flashing tools give you the option to make a back-up of your old BIOS image, wouldn't it make sense to do the same here?To see such a thing in action, read up on nandroid's back-up option on Android handsets. It's what I do on my Droid--I make a back-up of the current state of my handset (kernel, OS, apps, setting, everything) before I do anything drastic like flashing a new ROM.
Sooooooo, again, I say: A smarter [insert OS flashing app/procedure] would make suggest a back-up before flashing a new OS.
Originally Posted by deprecated
Let's also not forget, the forgetful. Ah, I see it was too late for you.
You mean a 'smarter' operating system would dumb it down for people who are unwilling to use logic and reason when performing tasks that may very well be detrimental to the functionality of their handset?
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Last edited by danramos; 2010-10-28 at 06:33.
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by jflatt
Soooo... is this your argument against, say, a crash prevention system? You do realize that we WANT to have things which can prevent the bad from happening, as opposed to simply telling the family of the diseased that the driver was an idiot--Especially if it turned out that it was not the driver's fault, like brake problems or something.. and especially if there was a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented it.
I crashed my car right into a wall. Thanks a lot Ford.
Simply putting a procedure in place to alert the user and optionally launch a firmware backup solution would be akin to a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented data loss during such upgrades and other situations.
...Or weren't you interested in the progress of technology to make our lives better and easier?
Originally Posted by bunanson
Clearly, Nokia could do better. Others have.
IT DID, if op paid attentions. It mentioned and warmed, the only thing sort of not doing is refused to upgrade without a backup. Then there would be crying that the upgrade is NOT user friendly. It is NOT easy to be Nokia nowadays, you do, you doom, you dont, you doom.
On Nokia's side, for a rare moment
bun
Originally Posted by Laughing Man
I really don't like this idea that Maemo's back-up/restore depends on a connection to be able to restore applications. My Droid certainly doesn't depend on it to restore nandroid backups or even Titanium Backup backups. So why is Maemo Backup so.. weird? I totally agree with you there. You should be able to do what I already do on my Droid--just say RESTORE... THIS BACKUP FILE.. GO! And just wait and then reboot. Done!
I still think the Backup application on Maemo fails in terms of restoring applications. Mainly the applications that require you to acknowledge a prompt or type in a password (openSSH). It really should just install all the applications and then show you whatever prompts. Especially since I usually let it restore apps when I sleep overnight only to find that it stopped due to a prompt.
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by danramos
I betcha 99% of people who wouldn't have thought of doing a backup would've ignored any warning/alert to do a backup. They like to click "Next", "Next", ..., "Finish".
Simply putting a procedure in place to alert the user and optionally launch a firmware backup solution would be akin to a cheap and easy technology that could have prevented data loss during such upgrades and other situations.
I really don't like this idea that Maemo's back-up/restore depends on a connection to be able to restore applications. My Droid certainly doesn't depend on it to restore nandroid backups or even Titanium Backup backups. So why is Maemo Backup so.. weird?
I totally agree with you there. You should be able to do what I already do on my Droid--just say RESTORE... THIS BACKUP FILE.. GO! And just wait and then reboot. Done!
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2010-10-28
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I just spent a few hours replacing the icons I made to go with my nine-desktop setup. This was after running backup. I also lost my ipv6 connection and had to remember how I had set it up. I wish backup was a bit more robust, but what the heck, I usually gain from a bit of extra practice in setting up my N900. If I forgot how I did it, I need to reinforce that learning, I tell myself.
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2010-10-28
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This might be easy:
Did you install ANYthing from extras Testing & Devel or any place outside of maemo.org or Nokia repositories. If you had then you had it coming. When you install stuff from those repositories you have to be prepared to anything!
If not then you have found bug or HW defect.
Did you install ANYthing from extras Testing & Devel or any place outside of maemo.org or Nokia repositories. If you had then you had it coming. When you install stuff from those repositories you have to be prepared to anything!
If not then you have found bug or HW defect.
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2010-10-28
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But all the nice stuff is in -devel!
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
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N900 dead and Nokia no longer replaces them. Thanks for all the fish.
Keep the forums clean: use "Thanks" button instead of the thank you post.
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2010-10-28
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Originally Posted by slender
This is the oldest trick in the book. Anyone who HASN'T installed from extras testing or devel is out of their mind, in my opinion. So this is something like telling someone with a car problem, "did you EVER go over 65 miles per hour? Because your tires might go flat at any second if you ever exceeded that speed!"
This might be easy:
Did you install ANYthing from extras Testing & Devel or any place outside of maemo.org or Nokia repositories. If you had then you had it coming. When you install stuff from those repositories you have to be prepared to anything!
If not then you have found bug or HW defect.
If Nokia had provided a big selection of apps, people wouldn't be driven to the risky ones. As it is, if you don't run risky ones, you are missing lots of essential features.
In my experience (1) running these risky apps is WAY LESS RISKY than is implied. I've been installing them without any hesitation for three Nokia tablets in a row and hardly ever run into serious problems, and (2) It makes a darned good excuse, though.
Just remember, if you EVER go over 65 miles an hour, any part of your car might fail at any instant and it's no one's fault but your own!
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2010-10-28
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Whatta F.
My point is that if you install anything from testing or devel then you are on your own. I expect total clusterfck any second when I have apps installed from those repositories. If shait hits the fan then itīs just me who is responsible! Installing stuff that is under testing or devel. I do not blaime Jesus or God or Santa Claus or Nokia I blame Myself!
My point is that if you install anything from testing or devel then you are on your own. I expect total clusterfck any second when I have apps installed from those repositories. If shait hits the fan then itīs just me who is responsible! Installing stuff that is under testing or devel. I do not blaime Jesus or God or Santa Claus or Nokia I blame Myself!
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2010-10-28
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So, by these standard a stick of dynamite can be considered an alpha version of a gas tank cap?
Is this what the robustness and security of the Linux system is reduced to? Don't run anything unapproved? I thought that was the Apple security system.
Is this what the robustness and security of the Linux system is reduced to? Don't run anything unapproved? I thought that was the Apple security system.
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