Here it's fine.

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I think that there is no harm for a pure end user if he or she clicks in Terminal. If he doesn't like or understands what it does, he or she just have to tap on the close button (big x).

Somewhat related, I do think that you guys could review the decision of not having menu items for things that already have shortcuts. I think all available options should be placed on a nice menu entry. That's the most user friendly way of presenting an interface for new and basic users. For more advanced users, there could be a help page listing the available shortcuts.

Just exploring possibilites: what about finding it under Settings?

You could always add a shortcut from the home if that matters to you.

I agree with the general direction Q is going in....
Name doesn't really matter, but how you access it and what you can do in it is probably a better question.

Generally i feel it is is a development tool (Well, geeks play-thing) - there are some uses a normal user like myself may use it for, and that is probably debugging when i screw something up....

Other then that, i agree it is probably a system tool. - and putting it in system makes sense.
Not sure there is any need to get rid of the X, as the word terminal is still visible.

If i was told to use terminal (is there any difference in adding an X? - terminal on it's own makes me think of windows and terminal services...) And told where to go... thats enough for me

Conflating application startup and the control panel seems... messy.

You'd basically implement this by having the standard /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop but then adding <Exclude>osso-xterm.desktop</Exclude> to /etc/xdg/menus/hildon/applications.menu (or wherever's appropriate after #5743).

I suppose so, though did you see the screenshot of the suggestion myself and MrGrim made,

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=40

I don't like the idea of the Terminal only being available via Ctrl+Shift+X, as that seems too hidden to me (even as a power user, I might forget how to bring it up!). Putting it in Settings seems a bit strange too, although I can see why you would like to group all of the semi-dangerous things together.

I wonder if this is a real problem that real people have out there ("what's this application?") or if it's just a solution to a non-problem. Windows users had this terminal at least until XP - I'm not sure about recent versions, don't use them much. Still, they had no problem with it. Why would Maemo users?

Anyway... The only way I could live with this is if I could revert to the sane behavior (=terminal visible as an application) by editing a *.desktop file, typing a magic command after I first launched the terminal or shaking the device while dancing on one leg.

The proposed key combination is just impossible on the current keyboard. Actually, all Ctrl+Shift-combinations are a PITA. If this is the only way to start the terminal, it means there's no practical way to start it at all... and then it would be better to just not include it and have it in Extras for those who want it. (Which may be the better solution in the first place if Nokia has doubts about the terminal app.)

my 5 cents:
Rename to Terminal
Agree with benny about keeping the app in view for everyone, maybe not straight in your face if M6 devices are more for umm.. "normal" end users, so hide it under tools or something similar. Also keep access to root privileges hidden.
Have a app that remembers all key combinations(with main combinations for "normal" end users locked) and allowes easy allocation of combinations for any app one chooses. Bascially the UI for adding a shortcut to desktop, but when you click a app you can bind keys to it.

maybe qgil proposing such insane feats of finger acrobatics is hinting M6 devices will have some more room for fingers?

While we're at it we should change all the references of 'Debian' to 'PenguinOSXP2010'.

It's called X Terminal because it's a terminal emulator for the X-Windows system. It's been that way for years, and there is no reason to change it. If the naming confuses you, you might consider an iPhone instead. I hear that they are easy.