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#41
Originally Posted by Drewvt View Post
Is there any point to viewing 1080p on a 800x480 screen?
Aside from output to an external, there's no need to transcode. There is a chance we could get good 720p decoding at least, but as long as I can play stuff at native, I'm nit particularly worried.

Unless you have a really crappy downsampler, there wont be any noticeable quality difference.
 
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Originally Posted by Drewvt View Post
Is there any point to viewing 1080p on a 800x480 screen?
Not 1080p, but 1080i and 720p possibly so that it could take a native OTA feed from a server ( like a silicondust HDHomerun OTA HD to ethernet adapter ). And that's a big maybe since I don't know if the additional decoding cost ( both upfront and battery ) are worth it.
 
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Come july, nobody will care...
Mmm . . . I don't buy it, not in the least. Don't make the mistake of thinking your personal views are shared by the rest of the world.
Talking your own project up this way also isn't the best form of PR, even if done jokingly. Which is presumably the case, as the Pandora is a games machine. (Talking of PR, I still work with people involved in the games industry, who know I have an interest in mobile devices - and no one has mentioned it to me. Possibly something of an awareness gap...)
 
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#44
"Talking up your own project"...

You know something I don't, or just jumping to conclusions?
 
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Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
it is? without jailbreaking, today, I can:

I can use it to remote desktop to my macs at home and work via ssh+vnc?
I can type extensive notes on it via physical keyboard?
I can use it to fix servers at work via ssh?
I can download and build a huge library of software for it?
I can develop directly on it in python?
I can use it as a replacement for my personal unix box, customizing and tinkering with it at the command line?
I can use AIM, Yahoo IM, MSN messenger, and Jabber on it?

All of that is news to me. And yes, those are things I consider to be necessary for me to purchase a device in this category. When the SDK fixes some of that, and when Apple finnaly puts bluetooth on it, then I'll consider it to competition. And not one second sooner.


it's funny. Those are the only way something can be a competitor to the NIT? ONLY if it can do those things? That makes it a very niche product.

Jailbroken the iphone can do 3, 4, 5 (that's how it was jailbroken in the first place) and 6.

Out of the box you can probably find a web apps that can let you cover the same options.

I currently use both an iphone and the NIT i like the screen size of the tablet, but the UI, speed, and stability of the iphone. I consider the touch and iphone to be a competitor under what the OP has stated, but each have their pros and cons that are up to the end user to choose what to spend their money on.

With the growing list of applications created by the ever expanding jailbreak community, almost all software shortcomings of the iphone / itouch are disappearing. The added fact that my jailbroken iphone is faster and more stable than my officially sterile NIT is a bonus in apple's favor
 

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Originally Posted by manchuia View Post
I currently use both an iphone and the NIT i like the screen size of the tablet, but the UI, speed, and stability of the iphone. I consider the touch and iphone to be a competitor under what the OP has stated, but each have their pros and cons that are up to the end user to choose what to spend their money on.

With the growing list of applications created by the ever expanding jailbreak community, almost all software shortcomings of the iphone / itouch are disappearing. The added fact that my jailbroken iphone is faster and more stable than my officially sterile NIT is a bonus in apple's favor
Interesting. I have both a Touch and a n810 and have come to some very interesting conclusions.

Speed: For web browsing the speeds are just about the same. The Touch is slightly more responsive while drawing, but usually takes longer to draw the whole page. The addition of flash on the NIT does affect a non-insignificant portion of the sites I frequent.

Stability: Safari is a crashing fiend. I can't run it for an extended period of time or open too many windows without it crashing. There is also a very subtle and annoying data loss bug that Apple doesn't like to talk about but is well documented on their site. The fact of the matter is that mobile safari takes the idea of "stateless" to a whole new level and will quickly become a thorn in the side of web application developers. The same pages under the NIT operate as I would expect from firefox.

UI: Hands down Touch, NIT's still have a lot of ground to make up if they even hope to come close.

I'm not saying there are not issues with the NIT, in fact just the opposite. I am an outspoken critic of the current state of os2008 as well as the general state of QA on the platform. On the other hand there is also the pink elephant in the room, that the next firmware for your iPhone could make you choose between the phone and the apps.
 

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Originally Posted by brontide View Post
Interesting. I have both a Touch and a n810 and have come to some very interesting conclusions.

Speed: For web browsing the speeds are just about the same. The Touch is slightly more responsive while drawing, but usually takes longer to draw the whole page. The addition of flash on the NIT does affect a non-insignificant portion of the sites I frequent.

Stability: Safari is a crashing fiend. I can't run it for an extended period of time or open too many windows without it crashing. There is also a very subtle and annoying data loss bug that Apple doesn't like to talk about but is well documented on their site. The fact of the matter is that mobile safari takes the idea of "stateless" to a whole new level and will quickly become a thorn in the side of web application developers. The same pages under the NIT operate as I would expect from firefox.

UI: Hands down Touch, NIT's still have a lot of ground to make up if they even hope to come close.

I'm not saying there are not issues with the NIT, in fact just the opposite. I am an outspoken critic of the current state of os2008 as well as the general state of QA on the platform. On the other hand there is also the pink elephant in the room, that the next firmware for your iPhone could make you choose between the phone and the apps.

Web browsing, I agree, is in the favor of the NIT. I can (and have had) multiple windows open on the NIT and be fine. Doing this on the iphone leads to crashes. Going to sites with auto refresh, having the device go to standby, bringing the device out of standby, and going back to the page.. crashes (this one really sucked when trying to keep up with NCAA tourney scores).

But the fact is that in every other aspect involving the OS, the Iphone is faster and considerably more stable.

Yeah .. the watching out for firmware thing sucks with the iphone, but I think the underground community have proven that they aren't going anywhere SDK or not.
 
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#48
the speed difference will be down to iphone having the power VR support working had the NITs have working 3d support it would also be able to have fancy guis like clutter etc.

However i like the NITs UI in parts it needs work but overall i perfer it to the palm style apple uses, NITs to me feels more like using a computer than a pda.
 

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#49
The Zaurus is back!
Well, not quite but a bit more competition is coming along from Sharp/Wilcom with their D4.
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...ered+UMPC.html
http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...ds-on+%21.html
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/14/w...to-our-hearts/
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/ne...p?storytopic=1
It even comes with an external phone handset.

ATM it runs Vista but that could change once Mobile Linux is ready.

It does look good, though.
 

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One thing about the Zaurus line, though. Sharp never got the keyboard\thumbpad right at all. I've had 2 iterations of linux Zaurus (5500 and the one w/ 4GB) and the old style digital phonebook zaurus (my very first PDA! probably was around during jurassic era) and they all suck to type on.

This new one seems to be set to continue that lasting tradition. Flat keyboard = uncomfortable, albeit cool + futuristic look.
 
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