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2008-10-08
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Originally Posted by fms
Oh, come on. You know lots of non-geeks know what "wiki" means. That must be an offsite link.
Same thing: avoid the long column + short column layout. It wastes space. Instead, break your page into 2-3 equal-sized columns and make them resize fluidly. Also, I would avoid shadows, fancy corners, and other similar stuff: a lot of people are likely to load this page on their tablets connected via GPRS, EDGE, or 3G. A lot of them pay per-MB rates. The above visual elements are pretty useless and just add to the traffic.
Now, as far as content is concerned: I see that you have following content at the page:
1. Two featured applications ("pearls")
2. Menu of important links
3. About Maemo blurb
4. Announcements at the bottom
5. Bad photo of some guy with a number
6. Some inline ads
Of these 6, only #2 and #4 are of any use to a regular maemo.org visitor. The rest is as good as decorations. Furthermore, #4 is at the very bottom and #2 links are named in such a way that only a geek will understand what they mean (Bugzilla, Wiki, Garage).
(But really, what else are you going to call a wiki? I can see how you could call other things by descriptions (bug reporting and tracking system) rather than names, but there's no reasonable sentence that will prove any more enlightening than the term wiki. If they don't know, they still won't know after one sentence.)
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
I have spent time coming up with one of the two original layout proposals (the other one has been made by Bundyo) and also participated in the IRC meeting on the same topic. Everything I had to say was said there and implemented in my layout proposal. You can refer to IRC meeting logs if you are interested (mgedmin must have them on his site).
fms, it'd be great if you could join the maemo-community mailing list and post your comments there. More people are participating in this discussion there -- and have been for a while -- which is how these designs are being created.
As for your comments on the "pretty" aspects of the design(s), well... That's your opinion. As a Web 2.0 designer by trade, these are just how we do it these days.
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2008-10-08
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Originally Posted by fms
http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting
You can refer to IRC meeting logs if you are interested (mgedmin must have them on his site).
mgedmin doesn't log #maemo-meeting, actually.
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2008-10-08
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Originally Posted by Benson
True. It is also true that a lot of non-geeks do not know what it means.
Oh, come on. You know lots of non-geeks know what "wiki" means.
(But really, what else are you going to call a wiki?
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2008-10-08
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Originally Posted by fms
True. And equivalent; I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek there, but knowing wrongly is the worst kind of not knowing.
True. It is also true that a lot of non-geeks do not know what it means.
Documentation. Manual. Handbook. Help Guide. I think a few more have been suggested during the IRC meeting.
While wiki is an incomplete description, it's certainly at least as accurate as any of those, and to anyone familiar with open-source projects and how they run, it will carry additional, largely correct, implications about the content.
I'm more or less with you on the lean design issues, but I don't see much gain to relabeling any of those, and particularly wiki seems to be a loss by renaming. Maybe I just hate users.
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2008-10-08
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Originally Posted by Benson
Actually, I am also in favor of naming it Documentation.
None of which accurately describe it, though. (Documentation comes closest, IMHO.)
While wiki is an incomplete description, it's certainly at least as accurate as any of those, and to anyone familiar with open-source projects and how they run, it will carry additional, largely correct, implications about the content.
I don't see much gain to relabeling any of those, and particularly wiki seems to be a loss by renaming. Maybe I just hate users.
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2008-10-08
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At the summit there was talk that Nokia wants to go more mass market with their next device. Wikis are not so common there from what I've seen...
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2008-10-08
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If you join the -community discussion, you will see that we are in the process of deciding on link names, etc. These proposals don't necessarily contain final verbiage, etc. In fact, if you check out my latest variation (just a variation):
http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_red...idea_0008c.png
...you will see that much of the verbiage has already changed.
Right now, we're not so interested in semantics, but rather the method of presenting the information in a clean, beautiful, and organized manner.
I value all of these comments, though (as I'm sure the others involved in the mailing list discussion would). Please keep them coming -- especially on the mailing list.
Tim
http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_red...idea_0008c.png
...you will see that much of the verbiage has already changed.
Right now, we're not so interested in semantics, but rather the method of presenting the information in a clean, beautiful, and organized manner.
I value all of these comments, though (as I'm sure the others involved in the mailing list discussion would). Please keep them coming -- especially on the mailing list.
Tim
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2008-10-09
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A little more tweaking on the latest:
http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_red...idea_0008d.png
-T.
http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_red...idea_0008d.png
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As for your comments on the "pretty" aspects of the design(s), well... That's your opinion. As a Web 2.0 designer by trade, these are just how we do it these days. (Have a look here.) Most (if not all) of these sites work great on my tablet.
Thanks,
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