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2009-03-31
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yep, its the good old microsoft FUD machine in action.
in a way its a economic cold war. side with the "communists" and we target our patent nukes on you, side with us and we give you access to our market and development aid (under our terms).
in a way its a economic cold war. side with the "communists" and we target our patent nukes on you, side with us and we give you access to our market and development aid (under our terms).
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2009-03-31
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Interestingly enough they don't target their nukes at Nokia...
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2009-03-31
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This FAT issue is getting annoying. Some company should develop a free (as in beer) ext3 driver for Windows and Mac that gets a user-base as large as Adobe's Flash plugin. Then there will be a free alternative filesystem that can be used for SD cards without having to pay royalties.
Microsoft is abusing the situation that FAT is the only cross-platform filesystem right now.
Microsoft is abusing the situation that FAT is the only cross-platform filesystem right now.
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by Bundyo
that would invite MAD as im sure nokia has some patents they could slap microsoft silly with.
Interestingly enough they don't target their nukes at Nokia...
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by pycage
more then one out there to use.
This FAT issue is getting annoying. Some company should develop a free (as in beer) ext3 driver for Windows and Mac that gets a user-base as large as Adobe's Flash plugin. Then there will be a free alternative filesystem that can be used for SD cards without having to pay royalties.
sadly, as it do not come preinstalled, and you would need to carry a secondary media with the installer in case you run into something that has not gotten it installed, it will not catch on.
just like how your unlikely to find a machine that can deal with cd-rw as "floppies" even tho the tech have been around for quite a while, and can install a driver on windows machines automatically on first insertion...
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by pycage
http://www.fs-driver.org/
This FAT issue is getting annoying. Some company should develop a free (as in beer) ext3 driver for Windows and Mac that gets a user-base as large as Adobe's Flash plugin. Then there will be a free alternative filesystem that can be used for SD cards without having to pay royalties.
Microsoft is abusing the situation that FAT is the only cross-platform filesystem right now.
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by tso
I do agree that MS has a "you're with us or you're against us" approach. But they have more insidious ways of exploiting their monopolist position than by using patents.
yep, its the good old microsoft FUD machine in action.
in a way its a economic cold war. side with the "communists" and we target our patent nukes on you, side with us and we give you access to our market and development aid (under our terms).
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by Bundyo
Because TomTom doesn't have a war chest, and all Mickey got now is more FUD behind their 1) FAT patents 2) little corporations using Linux.
Interestingly enough they don't target their nukes at Nokia...
Remember some brands are not big in US, but are in EU. Nokia and TomTom are among these brands. ICQ (AOL) is big in Germany and Russia. Yahoo Messenger is not popular in EU.
Often the message of an event is much more powerful than the actual event. You can see this even in Mafia, politics -- you name it. It can also be spinned as such.
Lord Raiden, even in MK sometimes directly fighting till death wasn't the right option.
Those who say this is a win for TomTom, I wonder... Microsoft gets the PR, TomTom has to pay money to MS, and TomTom have to adapt their filesystem (or files). Microsoft has to do nothing at all. Do you think adapting the filesystem or files is free? It has to be programmed, and tested. Those are expensive work hours for something as childish and unproven as this bullocks.
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2009-03-31
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Originally Posted by tso
Pfft. Have you see the war chest that FOSS has built up? If they let even fired a third of that at Microsoft, old Redmond would be a cooked goose.
that would invite MAD as im sure nokia has some patents they could slap microsoft silly with.
Originally Posted by tso
There are several. Bundyo posted a link to one of them above. On a side note however, OEM's aren't going to abandon FAT for an open source OS. Not that they don't want to. They'd love to get away from paying royalties to Microsoft. However, they know that 1) everyone else is using FAT, so they don't want to risk loss of compatibility. 2) It'll be a cold day in hell before Microsoft will natively support any file system but their own (unless supporting that file system somehow benefits them). Which means that OEM's will likely have to ship special file system driver disks with their products and convince people to install them. 3) Most end users are lazy, so option 2 is not an option, since most would rather go with a competitor who uses FAT than have to install anything to their PC that makes them compatible if they're not already.
more then one out there to use.
sadly, as it do not come preinstalled, and you would need to carry a secondary media with the installer in case you run into something that has not gotten it installed, it will not catch on.
just like how your unlikely to find a machine that can deal with cd-rw as "floppies" even tho the tech have been around for quite a while, and can install a driver on windows machines automatically on first insertion...
So the only real solution here is to either force native support for Ext3 and other file systems in Windows (Ref #2), or make sure that Windows is no longer the dominant OS. Option two will come in time, but it's going to get quite messy before we get there.
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I don't think M/S has any intention of "killing" Linux off. It is very content with Linux being a hobbyist OS and with that the general publics perception of its users as wearing beanies with propellers on top.
However, when that^ perception changes and Linux is viewed as more main stream, this gets everybody's attention. Any business would see a reduction in market share as a threat to its long term survival.