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2009-09-02
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#42
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Originally Posted by ragnar
Depends on usage pattern I guess. I do use cursors extensively and I routinely (should) use áéíöőóüúű, čćžšđ, and the occasional ä, which makes pretty much any layout painful (damn them language standardizers of centuries past, they did not have keyboard buttons to worry about...). If had just 3 letters to consider, maybe, but with this mess... give me my cursors, as the layout is going to suck anyway
Well, if there is choice between me having my äöå characters as dedicated characters and having cursor keys, I would go for öäå instantly.
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2009-09-02
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#43
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Originally Posted by pelago
Well, according to Qole in his excellent review (who this long was secretly cherishing his N900)
Yuk! I feel sorry for people who get that keyboard...
the keyboard to him is better than even the DPad.
(and to think we were having a war raging over here over that damned missing DPad)
The keyboard is nice and “clicky”, and I found it fairly easy to use. In low light, the keyboard becomes attractively backlit. I know this will sound like sacrilege to some, but I actually like the chunky, tactile arrow keys on the keyboard better than the awkward, squishy D-Pad of my N800.
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2009-09-02
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#44
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So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also, anyone else find that stand really filmsy looking?
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2009-09-02
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Originally Posted by cheetos316
If you mean why not apple style zoom, that's probably a mix of resistive screen (it can do multi-touch to an extent, but not like that) and legal/corporate reasons.
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also,
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2009-09-02
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#46
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Originally Posted by nilchak
I was talking specifically about the keyboard with only left and right keys, with up and down shifted. The normal four way cursor keys look ok, and from what I hear about the feel of the keyboard, it sounds pretty good.
Well, according to Qole in his excellent review (who this long was secretly cherishing his N900)
the keyboard to him is better than even the DPad.
(and to think we were having a war raging over here over that damned missing DPad)
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2009-09-02
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Originally Posted by cheetos316
A variety of reasons ranging from expense, power usage, and precision to the type of UI interactions required. Forgot the Apple marketing and know that Nokia made the right choice.
So the N900 is not multi-touch? The zoom in/out feature is nice with the circular motions but why not just do multi-touch? Is that fully patented by Apple or something? Also, anyone else find that stand really filmsy looking?
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2009-09-02
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#48
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Originally Posted by attila77
I doubt that's patented by apple. Android already has that 'feature' in their latest version.
If you mean why not apple style zoom, that's probably a mix of resistive screen (it can do multi-touch to an extent, but not like that) and legal/corporate reasons.
I don't know why they implemented the inferior nipple twirls though.. it's less precise with less control of the speed and range (less efficient) compared to the two-fingers zoom motion like on iphone and android... although you can use the twirls with just one finger.
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2009-09-02
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Originally Posted by ysss
As discussed before, a patent only means you have to deal with the owner. And Apple even had Google folks on their top boards until recently. Why would it then be impossible to think they managed to make an agreement at one point ?
I doubt that's patented by apple. Android already has that 'feature' in their latest version.
I don't know why they implemented the inferior nipple twirls though.. it's less precise with less control of the speed and range (less efficient) compared to the two-fingers zoom motion like on iphone and android...
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2009-09-02
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Originally Posted by attila77
Well, your language is very phonetic and the additional letters are of importance to that. A phonetic language has its advantages as well as its disadvantages. Case in point: the Serbian words I learned are relatively easy spell once I got the exact tonation right.
Depends on usage pattern I guess. I do use cursors extensively and I routinely (should) use áéíöőóüúű, čćžšđ, and the occasional ä, which makes pretty much any layout painful (damn them language standardizers of centuries past, they did not have keyboard buttons to worry about...). If had just 3 letters to consider, maybe, but with this mess... give me my cursors, as the layout is going to suck anyway
You can maybe research some kind of alternatives for the letters, minimizing them (link). I tried that but it'd then become more English; it only works in phonetic usage.
In Germany they've succesfully replaced some letters allowing both original and replacement. In German instead of ß 2 s are allowed to be used (Straße -> Strasse). Köln may be spelled as Koeln. München may be spelled as Muenchen.
In Dutch, the special characters have faded throughout time. We hardly use them anymore; in fact you see standard QWERTY keyboards here. Some weird things are, that we have double vowels to note a long sound, such as aap (aahp instead of app) or boom (b'eaum instead of bom). Note I probably applied IPA wrong here...
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Keyboard itself is very plain with essentially no distinctive keys besides spacebar. As it has been established, you can remap keys and even have a 8-way cursor keys in the middle of keyboard if you fancy that.
And yes, I acknowledge that this is an issue with less technically savvy persons, but therefore Nokia does differentation with keyboard variants.