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Originally Posted by christexaport
I have only seen pictures of the UI and I hope it ends up as being as simple as they show with the multiple home screens / dashboards. I get worried they wont have tools that make it easy to set up. I'm sure it will be super easy once it is set up but if nokia makes it hard they will loose.
We have to let people know that the UI is simple, easy to use, and NOT geek centered.
I would really like to see Good/Evil add for the n900 where we see how good /simple/elegant it makes the world because of powerful technology and the extent that you can take the n900 because of that same incredible stack.
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from what i've seen, its too simple. You hit the left upper corner to activate the task switcher. hit it again for the menu. Window headers act as an options button for configuring any settings, and hitting outside a window minimizes that window. How hard is that?
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Originally Posted by christexaport
R&D mode is not a term the general Linux-community would understand - it's just something specific to the earlier tablets and isn't needed any longer. root mode is like administrator mode on Windows or Mac. Most users wouldn't need it.
I have never used Linux, so the question I should've asked is what is R&D Mode, what is it used for, why would I use it, why does everyone say I don't want to use it (how do you know??), what is "root access" (I sort of understand that one, but wanted an "expert's explanation. sdskeeps gave some insight.), and how do I use it?
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Originally Posted by christexaport
As pelago says, it's not a general Linux term but a term specific to tablets.
I have never used Linux, so the question I should've asked is what is R&D Mode,
Originally Posted by christexaport
It switches on some debugging features that are not needed by end-users and can potentially harm the device and the user experience. The wiki article on it outlines some of these features, but, in summary:
what is it used for,
- It satisfies the R&D mode check for the sudo gainroot script, allowing you to get root access without modifying this script (as packages like rootsh do).
- The power button will turn on the device with only a single press instead of the long-press normally required.
- Additional information about the device and the OS version installed will be shown on the boot splash.
- The serial console pins inside the battery compartment may be enabled.
Originally Posted by christexaport
Back in the Bad Old Days people used it to gain root access as there were no simple packages available to work around the script check.
why would I use it,
But, you, specifically, wouldn't, as even if you need root there are nice things like rootsh to get you root access without all of the potentially dangerous features of R&D mode.
Originally Posted by christexaport
You might as well ask how a mechanic knows that the average person probably doesn't want to take their valve cover off. . . .
why does everyone say I don't want to use it (how do you know??),
Originally Posted by christexaport
Again, as pelago says, it's the superuser account that has complete and total access to all areas of the operating system. With root, you can do many things that are not possible with only a regular account (like brick your device).
what is "root access" (I sort of understand that one, but wanted an "expert's explanation. sdskeeps gave some insight.), and how do I use it?
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
It also gives you invulnerability and all the weapons. Including the BFG.
... it's the superuser account that has complete and total access to all areas of the operating system. With root, you can do many things that are not possible with only a regular account (like brick your device).
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on maemo there are two user accounts. user and root. User has restricted permissions, and you can't, for example, delete or modify system files other than through the application manager.
root is the superuser account, the administrator. Permission checks do not apply to root, so this brings the freedom to do whatever you want. Linux geeks like it because they get access to the deep insides of the system to tinker with.
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root is the superuser account, the administrator. Permission checks do not apply to root, so this brings the freedom to do whatever you want. Linux geeks like it because they get access to the deep insides of the system to tinker with.
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Originally Posted by shadowjk
technically permissions do apply to root, root just happens to have most all of them and for those that root doesn't have, that can be changed as well
Permission checks do not apply to root
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Originally Posted by christexaport
"why does everyone say I don't want to use it (how do you know??),
You might as well ask how a mechanic knows that the average person probably doesn't want to take their valve cover off. . . ."
Who you calling average?? LOL! Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of taking some software development skill classes, and I may use R&D Mode/Rootsh one day, but I'll take your advice and keep it basic for now. Thanks again.
"why does everyone say I don't want to use it (how do you know??),
You might as well ask how a mechanic knows that the average person probably doesn't want to take their valve cover off. . . ."
Who you calling average?? LOL! Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of taking some software development skill classes, and I may use R&D Mode/Rootsh one day, but I'll take your advice and keep it basic for now. Thanks again.
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
My current TMO cost for my E90 (which I purchased seperately) is no cheaper than the cost they charge for a subsidized/contract phone. I simply have the freedom to leave at any moment. A subsidized phone would be cheaper, since they charge you for the subsidy even if you purchase the phone seperately.
The problem will be largely price in the USA. ... Most people are accustomed to buying their phone in contract despite it being more expensive.
I don't want to see the mistake made of saying the device can't be for the mass market. IMO, this device is priced just like the biggest mass market smartphone, coming in at $50 CHEAPER! (I won't name the device since everyone seems to avoid saying it, and we pretend it doesn't exist, which I find nonesense, but who writes the dictionary...)
The US market is driving all of the world's growth trends right now. This market grew up on AOL, Windows 95, and browsing while multitasking. The N900 will be strikingly familiar to MOST Americans once they see the dashboard as the Windows taskbar, clicking outside of windows takes you to the desktop, and apps run concurrently like on Windows.
The PC experience is second nature in the US, which is the only market the N900 will face questions in. The rest of the world pretty much loves Nokia, and will buy it like candy. We have to let people know that the UI is simple, easy to use, and NOT geek centered.
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