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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
But that's almost entirely subjective, Karel. The experience depends on your usage. I personally don't have problems with the mainstream websites I frequent, not counting wellsfargo.com which is uptight over browser types and versions and refuses to allow access at all. I encounter problems on websites that are likely to cause trouble for PC users, too... so I avoid them. Bottom line, stick to top tier sites (cnn.com. msn.com, yahoo.com, etc) and you should encounter very few if any difficulties. The further you veer off that path, well, the riskier it gets in general... especially for a handheld device that can't possibly incorporate all the failsafe measures that a PC can.
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2007-01-13
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
I can't agree. The 770 does everything I expect of a mobile internet device. Browsing experience is superb, email functional, instant messaging fine and I even installed XChat because I love to hang around in good old IRC. What else could I want for a great "internet experience"? A webcam, maybe ... Ah, wait a minute...
He does make a solid point about the Internet experience on the 770 (and, albeit to a lesser extent, on the N800 also) being way too limited to warrant the moniker "Internet Tablet".
And although application installation on the 770/N800 should basically be hassle-free, due to the Debian foundation, the Abominable Application Installer makes it a lot harsher than it should be.
And what's wrong with the application installer? I tap on the application and they install without a problem. Always worked for me (except for one occasion when there was a problem with several reps not being online at the same time).
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2007-01-13
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#43
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Maybe he's referring to the improved installation features available with the N800...
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2007-01-13
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Originally Posted by Texrat
That's really funny, because actually it's you who's being subjective: The fact that your personal browsing experience is satisfactory, is by no means a measure for the tablet's (I'm intentionally leaving out "Internet" here) online performance.
But that's almost entirely subjective, Karel. The experience depends on your usage. I personally don't have problems with the mainstream websites I frequent, not counting wellsfargo.com which is uptight over browser types and versions and refuses to allow access at all. I encounter problems on websites that are likely to cause trouble for PC users, too... so I avoid them. Bottom line, stick to top tier sites (cnn.com. msn.com, yahoo.com, etc) and you should encounter very few if any difficulties. The further you veer off that path, well, the riskier it gets in general... especially for a handheld device that can't possibly incorporate all the failsafe measures that a PC can.
The only way to ascertain that, is by comparing the 770/N800's performance on the Internet with a PC with a standard browser; and in that respect the Nokia tablet fails miserably: Outdated Flash, no Java, the utter impossibility to use any of the online "office" applications, etc.
In fact, the only thing that could turn the tablet into a real Internet tablet, is the Minimo browser. But something tells me Nokia isn't helping much on that front...
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2007-01-13
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Originally Posted by benny1967
The browser only permits a partial and outdated "browsing experience" and the built-in email client is ridiculous (the irony is that a much better client, Sylpheed, was available before the launch of the N800, but still needs some finishing touches -- which Nokia obviously couldn't be arsed to assist on). I never said anything about the webcam (for which I've thought of a couple of other, non-webcammish uses).
I can't agree. The 770 does everything I expect of a mobile internet device. Browsing experience is superb, email functional, instant messaging fine and I even installed XChat because I love to hang around in good old IRC. What else could I want for a great "internet experience"? A webcam, maybe ... Ah, wait a minute...
And what's wrong with the application installer? I tap on the application and they install without a problem. Always worked for me (except for one occasion when there was a problem with several reps not being online at the same time).
I just don't get it: Synaptic already works. Why did the nitwits at Nokia Software Development decide it was a good idea not to port it, but replace it with something that doesn't work?
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2007-01-13
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#46
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Originally Posted by Texrat
No he isn't. And if those improved features depend on the Application Installer, my sympathy is with every N800 user.
Maybe he's referring to the improved installation features available with the N800...
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2007-01-13
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Karel, we're BOTH being subjective. Your statements are opinion based on your personal needs, expectations and experience, just like mine. Just like anyone's.
That's really funny, because actually it's you who's being subjective: The fact that your personal browsing experience is satisfactory, is by no means a measure for the tablet's (I'm intentionally leaving out "Internet" here) online performance.
The only way to ascertain that, is by comparing the 770/N800's performance on the Internet with a PC with a standard browser; and in that respect the Nokia tablet fails miserably: Outdated Flash, no Java, the utter impossibility to use any of the online "office" applications, etc.
In fact, the only thing that could turn the tablet into a real Internet tablet, is the Minimo browser. But something tells me Nokia isn't helping much on that front...
It seems you're far too angry to actually consider the points anyone else makes, so I'll just shut up now. Very sorry you're unhappy.
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2007-01-13
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Originally Posted by Texrat
Could you please stop assuming emotions in other people? It's very annoying, not to mention often quite wrong.
Karel, we're BOTH being subjective. Your statements are opinion based on your personal needs, expectations and experience, just like mine. Just like anyone's.
It seems you're far too angry to actually consider the points anyone else makes, so I'll just shut up now. Very sorry you're unhappy.
I'm not angry about the 770; it's actually quite a useful gadget. For one thing, it's the best ebook-reader I've ever had; it's also not a bad movie player (not as good as my PMA430, but then, that one really sucks at reading books). It could be a nice laptop-replacement, if the wordprocessor gets finished and someone could be bothered to port a decent database program to it.
But it is definitely not the "Internet tablet" Nokia claims it to be: purely objectively (which you keep on insiting is a subjective look) comparing what one can do with the 770/N800 to what can be done with a full-blown browser on a (sub)laptop consistently makes the 770/N800 look very bad indeed.
Countering that by claiming that the device is obviously limited, is a strawman: Nokia shouldn't label it as an "Internet tablet" then. Heck, the Internet "experience" I get from my PMA430 is not that much less than that of the 770.
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2007-01-14
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EDIT: content deleted. This was not the place for that disagreement.
Last edited by Texrat; 2007-01-14 at 01:32.
Last edited by Texrat; 2007-01-14 at 01:32.
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2007-01-14
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About a year ago I purchased a device that I knew would be a little buggy, but thought it would be useful and was confident that the issues I encountered would be solved by the community and Nokia. One year later I have a device that has a few added features that frequently closes all browser windows when I just close one. It reboots frequently and to add insult to injury, Nokia decides to release an upgraded version after 14 months. Let's face it, what we have today won't be significantly improved from here on out. I feel like I was part of a great beta testing experience to create the n800, but I had to pay to be a part of it. How disappointing!