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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by Dak
I suggested this for "install from file" previously, but you know... today eeeverybody's a "hacker".
What I would have done is stripped all 'pointy objects' from the system, and made available a "hacker upgrade"....a one-stop install that gives back full linux functionality.
And then instead of "go to red pill to to this n that" we would have "install hackpack, then go to redpill and do this 'n that"
Knowing where to draw the line is a tough decision...
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2010-01-12
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Of course, the most obvious question is "why hasn't the damned apt bug been fixed yet?" 
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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by Bec
Sure.. if you already have root on the device
But can't the rootsh deb be dpkg-ed too?
.You have to be root to dpkg a file. That's the Catch-22... you need rootsh to get root, you need root to install a package.. rootsh IS a package.
So if your app manager is toast, and you don't have rootsh OR red pill.. the only option is a reflash. This is unsat, IMHO.
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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by Flandry
I don't know about other distributions but Mint has that damn ugly reddish color in windows that are rooted; maybe we should set that type of ugly color in rooted terminals and on the top and borders (borders when windowed) af a rooted app?
I agree, rootsh should be installed by default. It should pop up a fat warning every time its enabled until the user switches it off by typing something that involves reading at the prompt.
This is good, now we are talking about ways to improve what is needed.
What more than that? a rooted terminal loses it's "magic" once it's closed anyway.
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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. Why? Because anyone who is interested in the root mode already has it installed, thus won't suffer the rest of problems.
Seriously? Your answer is to force a user to reflash their device when a simple
Regular users who don't care about the Linux side of things would probably do exactly the whole re-flash process by default. Would you seriously recommend rm -rf as root in order to help a "simple" user?
Having to install a package doesn't murder anyone. It's how the system is designed to work. It's not designed to fail on first use, so root is unnecessary. Things are planned according to the use cases and usage plans, not "But what if it goes wrong?" scenarios.
There is a solution to the problem, so use it.
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2010-01-12
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#47
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How about having the "hacker upgrade" .deb stashed somewhere secret within the 'standard' install. That way, no net connection is needed to fully enable your OS - just bury a hidden installation mechanism in the GUI, that only the brave and large-testicled hacker will hunt down....plastered with warnings and glyphs and invocations to satan etc.
Oh...and fix the damned apt bug that caused this catch-22 in the first place
Oh...and fix the damned apt bug that caused this catch-22 in the first place
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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Well since rootsh presents (in theory) less risks than "install from file" maybe we should focus on getting it implemented by default
Sure.. if you already have root on the device
You have to be root to dpkg a file. That's the Catch-22... you need rootsh to get root, you need root to install a package.. rootsh IS a package.
So if your app manager is toast, and you don't have rootsh OR red pill.. the only option is a reflash. This is unsat, IMHO.
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2010-01-12
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Originally Posted by CrashandDie
The person I was helping really had minimal need for root. They had a really bad network connection either via WiFi or cellular.. but in any case - anybody with a crappy connection runs the risk of these files being corrupted.
Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying. Why? Because anyone who is interested in the root mode already has it installed, thus won't suffer the rest of problems.
I do not accept that "reflashing" is the correct answer.. it is like using a Bulldozer to fix a broken hinge on a door.
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2010-01-12
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#50
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Originally Posted by Matan
wouldnt that be apple?
. I guess that the next step is disabling of packages not signed by Nokia.
This is good, now we are talking about ways to improve what is needed.
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