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2010-01-15
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Yes WE know that the forums are used and many people are "passing" by!
But that doesnt help on this topic! There is no way in closing the email lists as equaly is no way to close the forums or IRC!
I expect you, as member of the council, to try to hold this community toghether not to split them apart (I have the strange feeling I am not the first to tell this!)
And yes as part of both the mailing list and TMO, as I try to take both views to find a solution...
I am offended by a post showing bare numbers to show-off, for a second I thought about moving it to the "look how many people are here" thread but then I decided to shout out loud.
This is an absolute no-go!
But that doesnt help on this topic! There is no way in closing the email lists as equaly is no way to close the forums or IRC!
I expect you, as member of the council, to try to hold this community toghether not to split them apart (I have the strange feeling I am not the first to tell this!)
And yes as part of both the mailing list and TMO, as I try to take both views to find a solution...
I am offended by a post showing bare numbers to show-off, for a second I thought about moving it to the "look how many people are here" thread but then I decided to shout out loud.
This is an absolute no-go!
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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by chemist
To be clear there is no proposal to close multiple lists. The question on the table is should there be one form of formal communication to the maemo community. So that users wanting to know whats happening do not have to setup email to participate in the process.
Yes WE know that the forums are used and many people are "passing" by!
But that doesnt help on this topic! There is no way in closing the email lists as equaly is no way to close the forums or IRC!
I expect you, as member of the council, to try to hold this community toghether not to split them apart (I have the strange feeling I am not the first to tell this!)
And yes as part of both the mailing list and TMO, as I try to take both views to find a solution...
I am offended by a post showing bare numbers to show-off, for a second I thought about moving it to the "look how many people are here" thread but then I decided to shout out loud.
This is an absolute no-go!
The very thing I am trying to do is bring this community together, be removing the line of separation. Perhaps you disagree?
I think the point I was making was quite relevant to the topic. If it somehow offended you, I dont know what to tell ya, I have said many more offensive things.
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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
I am completely for moving all discussion from the Community-Mailing list to TMO.
I would be equally happy if the email integration could be done for the community mailing list. Any user should be easily able to post to the community discussion group.
http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43
If not, it should be moved into the forums. The problem is people on the mailing list come to a conclusion about something and then the people at TMO discuss it and have all kinds of different ideas.
We need to be on the SAME page from the start.
I have been a long time supporter of this idea.
Reggie, is there a reason why we cannot implement this for the community mailing list / Community forum.
http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=43
I think it would only involve some special formating when you reply via email.
Is this doable, is this acceptable, whats needs to be done to make this happen?
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2010-01-15
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As I said before:
I certainly do NOT want to close the maemo-developers list, and I don't care about the maemo-users list.
This is the response I expected. A small handful of influential people will block any attempt to move the community list to a more public location, because it is less convenient for them, and for the very reason that it is more public, hence more noisy.
I certainly do NOT want to close the maemo-developers list, and I don't care about the maemo-users list.
This is the response I expected. A small handful of influential people will block any attempt to move the community list to a more public location, because it is less convenient for them, and for the very reason that it is more public, hence more noisy.
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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by qole
qole, with all due respect, if you expected this reaction, why are you surprised then?
This is the response I expected. A small handful of influential people will block any attempt to move the community list to a more public location, because it is less convenient for them, and for the very reason that it is more public, hence more noisy.
I don't see how the mailing lists aren't public? They're published on HTTP hosts, anyone can join. Both tmo and mailing lists provide services to the community, and they are not mutually exclusive.
Yes, the mailing lists are less noisy, can we honestly blame people for not having to filter through copious amounts of responses when they only have limited time available to spend on the subject?
I don't think we should penalise anyone, and we are penalising ourselves, the whole community by having this discussion over and over again.
I honestly believe that communication flows pretty nicely between the current channels. People who have a good grasp of a specific subject do a very good job of either recapping the discussion for the other side or representing an understated opinion in either media.
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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by qole
I don't want to close the mailing list because there are people on that list who I respect and whose opinions I value rather highly. People who do not and will not participate on these forums.
This is the response I expected. A small handful of influential people will block any attempt to move the community list to a more public location, because it is less convenient for them, and for the very reason that it is more public, hence more noisy.
I don't see the selfishness in not wanting to alienate these people by closing down the list.
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2010-01-15
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I'm really concerned about the strong schisms I'm seeing lately on numerous important subjects. Stark polemics are forming or solidifying. We're starting to look like a microcosm of the US political landscape. Black and white. Us and them. I hope it's just my perception and not a sign of anything real.
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2010-01-15
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I think that's an unfortunate side-effect of pretty much any long-standing community Tex. In almost every facet of life... from middle school on up you have various clique's that will vehemently stick to their topic/subject of choice and refuse to let go.
Everyone has a different push point.. while 2 people can operate and agree perfectly fine on one subject - they can be on opposite ends of the other.. and it can get defensive. As we grow.. it doesn't surprise me that we'll be seeing more and more of this.
Everyone has a different push point.. while 2 people can operate and agree perfectly fine on one subject - they can be on opposite ends of the other.. and it can get defensive. As we grow.. it doesn't surprise me that we'll be seeing more and more of this.
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2010-01-15
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Yes. Exactly.
People who do not and will not participate on these forums.
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