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2010-07-03 , 13:08
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In which case, Nokia has even more problem than the technical side of things. i.e. Not knowing who to sell to, what they're selling... Where's the marketing department? Where's the company direction? With a direction, a company should be able to come up with what it should provide, what to sell, what to have.
Exactly.

There's a big thread about that elsewhere in the forum
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2010-07-03 , 13:15
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I understand the technical aspects of it. But where the problem really is, I think, is that Nokia didn't "bother enough" to "come up" with an "elegant" "mobile solution" for application management. Taking DEB solution path is just the easy way out as Maemo is Linux based (as you've stated).

Nokia is certainly behind in the innovation sense lately.
Since you understand the technical aspects of the app manager, possibly you can offer an idea what "elegant mobile solution" might offer better speed without sacrificing the terrific power and flexibility the app manager now offers? I wouldn't want to sacrifice power for speed, no way.

Personally, I think MeeGo will be the most innovative and powerful mobile OS going forward. Like Maemo now, the only mobile OS designed from the start for real pocket computers. The innovation is there. The only question is whether or not it can grab enough mindshare in the public and press.
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2010-07-03 , 13:24
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my only question is if developers (such as on symbian and other OS) will fully support a linux based device. Even though you need cash for it.

but im so happy of the current developers in maemo......its free and awesome!
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2010-07-03 , 13:34
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Originally Posted by Crashdamage View Post
Since you understand the technical aspects of the app manager, possibly you can offer an idea what "elegant mobile solution" might offer better speed without sacrificing the terrific power and flexibility the app manager now offers? I wouldn't want to sacrifice power for speed, no way.

Personally, I think MeeGo will be the most innovative and powerful mobile OS going forward. Like Maemo now, the only mobile OS designed from the start for real pocket computers. The innovation is there. The only question is whether or not it can grab enough mindshare in the public and press.
The major problem with app manager is to come up with a software list, from all the sources, dealing with component dependencies. Nokia could have setup a service/servers to crunch all these information, as software installation does require an internet connection to download packages. Local app manager listing fetches delta data from this service (such as new apps, removed apps, updated apps). When you think about it, app dependencies are not device-based, so all these relationships can be crunched on server side. To the end users, we care about the applications that we can install, update or remove. During installation or update (the device is connected to the internet), the user pick the require application(s) from a combined list (presenting only apps and description previously cached, together with the delta info sent from the server). After an application is picked, the server then decide what packages are required, and then tell the device to fetch them and install them. The server would also store information about each device's installed application (based on IMEI or SN), also storing a list of nominated repositories. Conceptually, kinda like Opera Mobile, where millions are users are rendering the same webpage (such as BBC News)...why not render it on the server side?
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2010-07-03 , 13:40
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Hahah, you are joking .. The sync is wasted bandwidth and I don't want people knowing I've got a porn app or whatever on my device. That is an awful solution. I see little issue with the current package manager, it's not super snappy, but it is the most useful app management package for a mobile device out there. Sure it needs some improvements on the UX side, which can in turn reduce perceived latency, but that is how I'd improve it. I would replace it with a fudge like you suggest. :/
 
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2010-07-03 , 13:42
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Hahah, you are joking .. The sync is wasted bandwidth and I don't want people knowing I've got a porn app or whatever on my device. That is an awful solution. I see little issue with the current package manager, it's not super snappy, but it is the most useful app management package for a mobile device out there. Sure it needs some improvements on the UX side, which can in turn reduce perceived latency, but that is how I'd improve it. I would replace it with a fudge like you suggest. :/
LoL...do you think I'll be here if I do HAVE THE solution? My point is, why hasn't Nokia try to come up with something?

IMO, sync by sending delta and combined checksum is a viable solution (how do you think e-mails get sync?). About your installing porn...You give your (almost) entire asset to a bank or banks...and you worry about porn? Even your personal e-mails are hosted elsewhere (maybe not you, maybe you have your own mail servers)...hum.
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2010-07-03 , 13:48
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will the n900 ever be a polished product?
maybe, but you better bring your own polish and elbow grease
 
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2010-07-03 , 13:50
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Well, regardless of man hours available to maemo 5 maintenance at Nokia, I'm sure there are far more important issues than a slightly sluggish application manager, that is the best out there on any mobile device. I think, if there was one thing I could have fixed/improved/developed for the N900, it'd be .. PDF reader (I want it to be more Maemo 5 and less Maemo 4) and the media player (I want playlist editing to be better, home widget fixed etc)

That said, I'm working on an app for playlist creation myself. So that wouldn't bother me as much if the freakin' desktop widget worked
 
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2010-07-03 , 13:54
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LoL...do you think I'll be here if I do HAVE THE solution? My point is, why hasn't Nokia try to come up with something?

IMO, sync by sending delta and combined checksum is a viable solution (how do you think e-mails get sync?). About your installing porn...You give your (almost) entire asset to a bank or banks...and you worry about porn? Even your personal e-mails are hosted elsewhere (maybe not you, maybe you have your own mail servers)...hum.
I don't think your solution is scalable or worthwhile, and the current software works fine imo. I'd like to to integrate better with the community downloads webpages. Integrated voting, screen shots and comments. but that's a bit of work.
 

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2010-07-03 , 13:57
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Aren't we deviating from the thread? Anyway, I believe my points are already made.
 
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