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2010-08-12
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I feel less cheated now...
I feel less cheated now...
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2010-08-12
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I do not quite understand the obsession with the Ovi Store. As Ovi Store makes it virtually impossible to submit content, difficult to download content, does not seem to do any quality control, and (apparently) does not provide sufficient copy protection, I do not see why anyone would even use it. We have got Extras. App Manager + Extras work way better than the Ovi Store. Why not just use that?
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by fms
And with FapMan it's even better!
I do not quite understand the obsession with the Ovi Store. As Ovi Store makes it virtually impossible to submit content, difficult to download content, does not seem to do any quality control, and (apparently) does not provide sufficient copy protection, I do not see why anyone would even use it. We have got Extras. App Manager + Extras work way better than the Ovi Store. Why not just use that?
One thing that was always frustrating about the default App Manager was the inability to select multiple packages to install. I mean seriously... every apt/yum/rpm/deb front-end in the past.. forever.. has had that capability...
ETA: However.. I can understand frustrations if people want to sell their apps. The only way to really do that on Extras is to release a "shareware" version that someone has a form of "unlock" key that is automatically generated specific to the device when it's installed.. and they pay the developer who then gives them an unlock key for full functionality... or something similar.
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
I do not see a problem there. People sold their apps for ages, long before Apple's AppStore appeared. You set up a deal with a credit card processing company (like eSellerate) and start selling unlock keys. You app is still available from Extras-Testing Non-Free. True, there is no sane way it can ever migrate to proper Extras, but pretty much everyone has Extras-Testing enabled nowadays.
ETA: However.. I can understand frustrations if people want to sell their apps. The only way to really do that on Extras is to release a "shareware" version that someone has a form of "unlock" key that is automatically generated specific to the device when it's installed.. and they pay the developer who then gives them an unlock key for full functionality... or something similar.
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by fms
Understood but it's more work on the developer.
I do not see a problem there. People sold their apps for ages, long before Apple's AppStore appeared. You set up a deal with a credit card processing company (like eSellerate) and start selling unlock keys. You app is still available from Extras-Testing Non-Free. True, there is no sane way it can ever migrate to proper Extras, but pretty much everyone has Extras-Testing enabled nowadays.
On the one hand: There's supposedly a store they can upload their closed source app and users can't even download it without first paying.
On the other hand: There's a repository where users can download their app and the developer themselves have to code in a special way to handle keys.
See which one is easier?
Don't get me wrong.. I don't pay for software anyway.. so I'm certainly not a user of the software I'm talking about.. I only deal with Open Source. I am just saying I can see their frustration... it's just a Non-issue for me.
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by fms
Like I want to jump through all these hoops.
I do not see a problem there. People sold their apps for ages, long before Apple's AppStore appeared. You set up a deal with a credit card processing company (like eSellerate) and start selling unlock keys. You app is still available from Extras-Testing Non-Free. True, there is no sane way it can ever migrate to proper Extras, but pretty much everyone has Extras-Testing enabled nowadays.
It's easier to just forget this niche Nokia target and port my apps to Android and have all the benefits of a working store, huge userbase, nice application browser every single android user has installed, and nice web frontend. Even registration is cheaper ($25 AM < €50 OS).
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Jolla Phone post-mortem . . . . . . . . . . -> 1+1 VGN-UX390N
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Jolla Phone post-mortem . . . . . . . . . . -> 1+1 VGN-UX390N
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by gerbick
When you buy goods you enter into a contract with the seller of those goods. Under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 goods must be:
Can't sue people for stuff that barely works despite claims otherwise people would sue Microsoft every damn day.
* 'as described',
* 'of satisfactory quality', and
* 'fit for purpose' – this means both their everyday purpose, and also any specific purpose that you agreed with the seller (for example, if you specifically asked for a printer that would be compatible with your computer).
Goods sold must also match any sample you were shown in-store, or any description in a brochure.
....LAWYERED!
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by smoku
It is really not that difficult.
Like I want to jump through all these hoops.
It's easier to just forget this niche Nokia target and port my apps to Android and have all the benefits of a working store, huge userbase, nice application browser every single android user has installed, and nice web frontend. Even registration is cheaper ($25 AM < €50 OS).
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2010-08-12
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Originally Posted by smoku
Nokia were well on their way with this December 2009/january 2010.
Like I want to jump through all these hoops.
It's easier to just forget this niche Nokia target and port my apps to Android and have all the benefits of a working store, huge userbase, nice application browser every single android user has installed, and nice web frontend. Even registration is cheaper ($25 AM < €50 OS).
They created enough "buzz" to get peoples's interest in it.
Not now.
Any sane Developer thinks like smoku now.
Of course the "ivory Tower Directors" just do not understand this.
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