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2011-08-22
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Jaaksi is a failure. Nice guy who didn't see the writing on the wall. Closed systems are most profitable, and ELOP made the right decision for nokia. Maemo/Meego development was happening too slow. It is interesting to read comments on Jaaksi blog. Some are truly critical of his handling
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
It's not a question of closed vs open, it's a question of billion € budget vs pocket change budget. That's the whole point of the article, Symbian as the religion had all the resources. Maemo 5 and MeeGo, with all the positive reception are dead on announcement. Nokia killed them.
Jaaksi is a failure. Nice guy who didn't see the writing on the wall. Closed systems are most profitable, and ELOP made the right decision for nokia. Maemo/Meego development was happening too slow. It is interesting to read comments on Jaaksi blog. Some are truly critical of his handling
Of the whole situation
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Problem with your statement is that Android also started with T-Moble.
Palm started with Sprint, Nokia started with T-Mobile in the US. That's the number 3 and 4 carriers respectively.
Bad business decision, in my opinion - but that's based on hindsight which I have now, they didn't have it then.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by patlak
Billion either way. Elop is here to save a company. No different than what is happening at HP.
It's not a question of closed vs open, it's a question of billion € budget vs pocket change budget. That's the whole point of the article, Symbian as the religion had all the resources. Maemo 5 and MeeGo, with all the positive reception are dead on announcement. Nokia killed them.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by TheLongshot
I agree.
Problem with your statement is that Android also started with T-Moble.
But it didn't stay there. However Nokia N900 stayed at T-Mobile to never venture out of there if you wanted 3G data and the Nokia stores in New York and Chicago were planned to be closed.
Palm Pre stayed too long at Sprint while the mistakes of the advertising (too creepy, didn't sell anything) and then the lack of mainstream appeal (many reasons, mostly around sales) - the world passed both by.
Android currently is being sold more at Verizon with AT&T catching up. T-Mobile is still 4th (soon to be probably rolled into AT&T) and Sprint is still 3rd.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber!
Yeah, sure. He's doing a fantastic job. The company is in sheer orgasm....from the Prince on the white stallion.
Billion either way. Elop is here to save a company. No different than what is happening at HP.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
We constantly struggled with AT&T and Verizon. Trying to please the 2 US market leaders took much, much more effort than getting T-Mobile to launch devices. But a lot of that was admittedly Nokia's fault.
Palm started with Sprint, Nokia started with T-Mobile in the US. That's the number 3 and 4 carriers respectively.
Bad business decision, in my opinion - but that's based on hindsight which I have now, they didn't have it then.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Also, the Pre2 has similar specs to the N9. So the story repeats.
Weird. The Palm Pre had essentially the same specs as the N900.
To say that about the Palm Pre, you're indirectly saying that about the N900.
But let's be honest. That wasn't your intent, but it's evident that the Nokia N900 is facing these same issues. The faster spec'd N9, but very similar hardware will be soon facing the same dilemma at the pace things are going it seems.
However, the Pres have had horrid quite lowres screens.
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2011-08-22
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Originally Posted by patlak
bla bla bla. You have to at least make up your mind before making acusations. Fact of the matter still is that webos is vanilla Linux that needs top hardware to run. 8ada is something completely different, a new design from the bottom. ZTE and Huawei gives a nut what core it runs.
You are definitely blind if you can't see any similarities between Bada and Android. Just think about it, they copied iPhone design and got their asses sued, and what's next? Copying a UI is something everybody can see, nobody gives a nut on what core it runs. Also, Touchwiz is a complete iOS ripoff, if they were using it for so long, why bother copying?
Pre did eventually landed in verizon but it was just too late droid had already entered the arena, well nokia were just not too keen on cdma on their flagship phones, and all they had was two carriers AT&T and T-Mobile they tried AT&T with various symbians and as usual they had to bends backwards, always a crippled devices with full of bloatware, T-Mobile however did not cripple their device or fill with bloatwares, they just could not grip the customer traction each quarter.
End of the day I still say that all these mobile phones not being in black ink directly relates to the carrier options in USA. I mean even though you spend half a grand on a phone and buy it unlocked you still have to pay the carriers for their service, almost or all same plan you would get when buying the phone subsidized. Anybody with clear thinking and no emotional attachment to any kind of phone manufacturer or a OS would never pay $70 for a service and get a phone for ~500 while they can get a very competetive device for ~200.