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2012-01-05
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Microsoft wants to unite the OS of PCs, smartphones and tablets with Windows 8.
Can anybody imagine the horror of Microsoft dominating the OS of PCs, smartphones and tablets?
This is why WP7 will never gain traction and Windows 7 tablets have been a failure. Consumers do have a sense of self-preservation.
Can anybody imagine the horror of Microsoft dominating the OS of PCs, smartphones and tablets?
This is why WP7 will never gain traction and Windows 7 tablets have been a failure. Consumers do have a sense of self-preservation.
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2012-01-05
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@ not your mom's FOSS basement
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Originally Posted by ossipena
Hey, i still have it and it was waaaaaay better than the Siemens SX1 crap i used before! As almost all Nokia Symbian phones, it was plagued mostly by too little RAM.
exactly. it is only good that iPhone came to the picture. smartphones have never been as good as they are now because crap such as N73 just doesn't stand a change and there is no point even to try sell such. (N73 was minor update to N70 specswise, nothing else)
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2012-01-05
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@ Germany
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Originally Posted by Kangal
No? Did I miss anything of WP7 then? There's no NDK. It's all about Silverlight and XNA.
Not 100% true, but you are right it would be a pointless move by Microsoft.
Anyway, that move would have made sense for Nokia to move Symbian developers to WP7. But as it stands all that Nokia could do was to setup some porting guide lines for rewriting QML apps in XAML, which is only applicable for the most basic stuff as XAML is far less powerful than QML.
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2012-01-05
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pycage: The point is, there is an NDK. But Microsoft doesn't distribute it to just anyone, only to those who they want to, using their development tools for power control, as usual. It's politics, not any technical reason at all.
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2012-01-05
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@ Athens
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Originally Posted by Kangal
Agreed and they probably deserve it
Its all about long-term goals and business.
If the Nokia-Microsoft deal falls flat, I'm certain Nokia will go the way of RIM and then follow Palm's pathway. They just dont have the resources, the cash, manpower or the time to become relevant in the ecosystem wars.
Originally Posted by Kangal
By "will do just fine" you mean they will reach BADAs marketshare?? because no matter how many apps they release noone wants WP to the point they're giving them for free and still noone cares.
Windows Phone will still do fine, its slowly catching up (there's Mango, then the HTC TITAN, and now 50,000 apps).
http://www.appisaurus.com/1594-droid-rage/
Originally Posted by Kangal
Nokia got f**** so hard by this deal that law and order special victims unit should be working this case. MS was desperate because soon their domination in the desktop world wont mean a thing. By 2015 windows devices connected on the web will be less than 50% and that is giving ballmer and his gf at Nokia nightmares. While before the deal Nokia was actually showing signs of recovery and had meego comming.
Nokia NEED to succeed in this deal to recover, much more than Microsoft, but that doesnt mean Microsoft isn't benefiting. In fact, Microsoft wants to purchase Nokia but they dont want to make a bad investment. All due to Nokia's SIZE, so instead they are taking a half-measure and using them instead.
Originally Posted by Kangal
Nokias decision is one of the worst ones a company has ever made
That makes a lot of sense for Microsoft, and it also means more opportunity for Nokia to do business (since they REALLY need it).
and will soon put them out of business
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2012-01-06
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Originally Posted by Zoxir
You don't know that. There are things happening in the background that only Nokia knows, to protect themselves from the investors walking away.
Nokia got f**** so hard by this deal that law and order special victims unit should be working this case. MS was desperate because soon their domination in the desktop world wont mean a thing. By 2015 windows devices connected on the web will be less than 50% and that is giving ballmer and his gf at Nokia nightmares. While before the deal Nokia was actually showing signs of recovery and had meego comming.
Nokias decision is one of the worst ones a company has ever made
and will soon put them out of business. Agreed and they probably deserve it
There was no sign of recovery, you are mistaken. The only sign was the leak of N9-00 (the N950), problems with competitors (RIM, WebOS and Android) and the revelation of the N9...those did boost support temporarily but left many doubts because of the long-wait.
From what Balmer says, MeeGo wasn't ready for a long time. I think he's right, it wasn't ready, but I dont think it was as far off as he said it would be. By the time Nokia makes its 3rd/4th WPhone, MeeGo would've been ready but could Nokia really survive that long?
(Probably not)...and would MeeGo be able to revive them (probably not), whereas they have a finished ecosystem NOW, with APPS, and its not half-bad either.
Nokia and Microsoft entered a mutual symbiosis. But is this the best case scenario for Nokia? No. Were they f***ed? Yes, by themselves.
Originally Posted by Zoxir
Bada phones are cheap, they look like Android/Galaxy S's and they are available in a mass (especially in 3rd world countries).
By "will do just fine" you mean they will reach BADAs marketshare?? because no matter how many apps they release noone wants WP to the point they're giving them for free and still noone cares.
Windows Phone will surpass Bada very soon (2012) with Nokia's help since Nokia is the 3WC-King. Nearly everyone in Africa, India, and Middle-East have one...because of strong brand trademark.
From Gartner (Global '11 Q3)
Android: 52.5%
Symbian: 16.9%
iOS: 15.0%
RIM: 11.0%
Bada: 2.2%
Windows Phone: 1.5%
WebOS, Maemo, Other: 0.9%
I think towards the end of the year, we should see Android "slowing down" (maybe close to 53% ?), Apple catching up (upto 18%), WPhone greatly adopting (11%), RIM losing (9%), Bada/Others holding steady (3%) and Symbian dropped off (6%).
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2012-01-06
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@ Bronx, NY
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Originally Posted by Kangal
What was so wrong with maemo? I just dont understand why they felt the need to merge with moblin an even less known OS that didnt even exist beyond development. This is where I think Nokia really f'd themselves.
From what Balmer says, MeeGo wasn't ready for a long time. I think he's right, it wasn't ready, but I dont think it was as far off as he said it would be. By the time Nokia makes its 3rd/4th WPhone, MeeGo would've been ready but could Nokia really survive that long?
I cant help but wonder how far along maemo would be if Nokia stayed the course. It would have been in its 5th/6th generation by now . We have seen what this small community has done with this device, can you imagine if it had paid developers working constantly on it.
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2012-01-07
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Originally Posted by Kangal
That's incorrect. Nokia still want that piece of the pie very much to themselves.
Windows Phone will surpass Bada very soon (2012) with Nokia's help since Nokia is the 3WC-King. Nearly everyone in Africa, India, and Middle-East have one...because of strong brand trademark.
Everything just below smartphones is still going very strong for Nokia.
The MS/Nokia deal is predominantly for the smartphone/tablet sector.
Qt & the next billion they keep squawking about, is all about Qt5 + S40 (or Meltemi) for 3WC.
They've made it very clear in the past 6mth, that WP won't be playing too much in that sector.
For this year "at least"....
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2012-01-07
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We are looking at two Nokias for a few months already. Nokia Smartphone division headed by Stephen Elop and Nokia Not-so-smartphone (or whatever you want to call it) division headed by Mary McDowell.
The N9 was the last non-WP phone from Elop's division. But Qt and Meltemi belong to McDowell's division. Probably a next Maemo descendant will emerge from there.
The N9 was the last non-WP phone from Elop's division. But Qt and Meltemi belong to McDowell's division. Probably a next Maemo descendant will emerge from there.
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