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2012-03-19
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#491
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Originally Posted by danramos
you seem to forget that the Maemo kernel is available as source code, thus getting ride of those "dependencies" that break the system when removed (calendar, media player, etc) is merely a matter of rewriting the kernel & hildon parts. considering that this is all about ONE device (the venerable N900
) nobody is willing to go to that extend. but if anyone cares (to push CSSU that far)...
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2012-03-19
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Originally Posted by misterc
You seem to forget that the kernel Maemo comes with, once removed of such impurities, is incredibly broken and works badly, or not at all, on the Nokia Maemo-intended devices--hence the recommended 'binary blobs' you need to build a WORKING kernel. By the way, there are more Maemo devices than the N900 from Nokia (770, N800, N810, N810WE). As I already mentioned before, Mer attempted to make a purely open Maemo translation and that failed miserably with no thanks to Nokia's closed-mindedness. So much for 'nobody is willing to go to that [extent].'
you seem to forget that the Maemo kernel is available as source code, thus getting ride of those "dependencies" that break the system when removed (calendar, media player, etc) is merely a matter of rewriting the kernel & hildon parts. considering that this is all about ONE device (the venerable N900
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2012-03-20
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#493
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He should blame Ahtisaari because he released the N9: that decision killed the Lumia.
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2012-03-22
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#494
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the m$ way of increasing sales...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...ng-group/12221
forbid poeple to buy something else >¦-))))))))
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...ng-group/12221
forbid poeple to buy something else >¦-))))))))
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2012-03-23
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Originally Posted by danramos
beg to differ...
You seem to forget that the kernel Maemo comes with, once removed of such impurities, is incredibly broken and works badly, or not at all, on the Nokia Maemo-intended devices--hence the recommended 'binary blobs' you need to build a WORKING kernel. By the way, there are more Maemo devices than the N900 from Nokia (770, N800, N810, N810WE). As I already mentioned before, Mer attempted to make a purely open Maemo translation and that failed miserably with no thanks to Nokia's closed-mindedness. So much for 'nobody is willing to go to that [extent].'
what about nouveau?
it's the open source solution for Nvidia cards; the performances aren't (yet) on the level of Nvidia's binary drivers, but the alternative (to a closed source) package exists & works.
same goes for the ATI/AMD stuff (don't remember the o.s. name now)
i'm not saying it's easy and i myself wouldn't even now where to start, but it's possible...
another exemple?
the UOT
simply not supported by NOKIA and still MAG was able to implement it.
again, a matter of size of the community supporting the platform; N900 (NIT's and that Chinese clone you mentioned once) simply don't warrant the effort, alas
and the dedicated users of the N900 simply don't have the resources to do it all (again, more users would help there)
but as Pali proves with the kernel, little by little progress is done (don't shoot me on the details, really don't know how he does it)
Last edited by misterc; 2012-03-23 at 09:11.
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2012-03-23
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#496
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Originally Posted by misterc
Well...Microsoft uses much more "evil" instruments than that, of which most people don't even know about. That's just one reason to avoid that company
the m$ way of increasing sales...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/...ng-group/12221
forbid poeple to buy something else >¦-))))))))
Not that Apple (see article) needs any protection though 
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2012-03-23
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Originally Posted by misterc
What does ANY of that have to do with Maemo's intentional crippling by Nokia by choosing components that weren't open-source friendly and by closing off even their own software? Are you trying to divert the conversation toward something else that we weren't talking about?
beg to differ...
what about nouveau?
it's the open source solution for Nvidia cards; the performances aren't (yet) on the level of Nvidia's binary drivers, but the alternative (to a closed source) package exists & works.
same goes for the ATI/AMD stuff (don't remember the o.s. name now)
i'm not saying it's easy and i myself wouldn't even now where to start, but it's possible...
another exemple?
the UOT
simply not supported by NOKIA and still MAG was able to implement it.
again, a matter of size of the community supporting the platform; N900 (NIT's and that Chinese clone you mentioned once) simply don't warrant the effort, alas
and the dedicated users of the N900 simply don't have the resources to do it all (again, more users would help there)
but as Pali proves with the kernel, little by little progress is done (don't shoot me on the details, really don't know how he does it)
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Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
Nokia's slogan shouldn't be the pedo-palmgrabbing image with the slogan, "Connecting People"... It should be one hand open pleadingly with another hand giving the middle finger and the more apt slogan, "Potential Unrealized." --DR
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2012-03-23
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#498
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What are we talking about again?
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Proud coding competition 2012 winner: ρcam
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2012-03-23
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2012-03-23
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(one liners at the end )
you say (correct me if i'm wrong)
i say that Nvidia, ATI/AMD, TI (also providing silicon for the N900 btw) don't bother about open source
they couldn't care less
well, not quite
Nvidia & ATI/AMD (among others) take the time to provide BINARY drivers for their HW because not all the programs that professionals may use high-end graphic cards for are available on m$
it's a service to (some of) their customers
incidentally customers who buy $$$$$ configurations
what about N900, N8x0 and 770?
Maemo?
i say we should be thankful to NOKIA for having designed, manufactured and commercialized them and for still paying the bills for this / these site(s)
i think you were among those claiming that NOKIA never sold enough Maemo (OS200x) devices to make a difference anyway, no?
again, it's down to MAG, Pali and others who know how to reverse engineer some of the hardware
and some not, alas.
again, trying to give some perspective on the economic reality NOKIA was confronted with, even before Flop.
why do they keep designing & manufacturing new devices and developing & releasing new versions?
to sabotage it? doesn't make sense to me....
and Flop either could bet the farm on that or....
of course, sabotaging Symbian was plain dumb idiotic, but, hey... no brain, no pain
YOU: NOKIA sabotaged Maemo & all
ME: Maemo is only a "research project", not a commercially viable platform; it's up to the community to develop it
agree to disagree?
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Originally Posted by danramos
okay, obviously we have a different point of view on this.
What does ANY of that have to do with Maemo's intentional crippling by Nokia by choosing components that weren't open-source friendly and by closing off even their own software? Are you trying to divert the conversation toward something else that we weren't talking about?
you say (correct me if i'm wrong)
NOKIA sabotaged Maemo & the whole NIT project, by not open sourcing their hardware
they couldn't care less
well, not quite
Nvidia & ATI/AMD (among others) take the time to provide BINARY drivers for their HW because not all the programs that professionals may use high-end graphic cards for are available on m$
it's a service to (some of) their customers
incidentally customers who buy $$$$$ configurations
what about N900, N8x0 and 770?
Maemo?
i say we should be thankful to NOKIA for having designed, manufactured and commercialized them and for still paying the bills for this / these site(s)
i think you were among those claiming that NOKIA never sold enough Maemo (OS200x) devices to make a difference anyway, no?
again, it's down to MAG, Pali and others who know how to reverse engineer some of the hardware
and some not, alas.
again, trying to give some perspective on the economic reality NOKIA was confronted with, even before Flop.
why do they keep designing & manufacturing new devices and developing & releasing new versions?
to sabotage it? doesn't make sense to me....
and Flop either could bet the farm on that or....
of course, sabotaging Symbian was plain dumb idiotic, but, hey... no brain, no pain
YOU: NOKIA sabotaged Maemo & all
ME: Maemo is only a "research project", not a commercially viable platform; it's up to the community to develop it
agree to disagree?
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