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Originally Posted by danramos
We don't know yet if we won't get vid-chat & flash support, remains to be seen.
That's absolutely irrelevant to the conversation. We're commenting on Nokia's failure to delivery promised updates and software. Similarly, I could say that I've used Adobe Flash 10.3 on my Android devices (ALL of them) quite some times... not MY problem that people can't leave their N900 to get more secure and up-to-date software.
If we don't have flash at launch, then we'll never get it IMO.
Vid-chat however is still possible with the 1st or 2nd (if there is one) "major" updates.
"Assuming" it doesn't arrive with the launch....
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2011-09-02
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Originally Posted by delmar
Check with QGil at the MeeGo forum....
Is there any information about the languages included in N9?
We know that Nokia have configured their products according to geographical zones. In Europe or Middle-/Southeurope it is standard that included among others the German, Italian and English languages.
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I'm sure I've seen him say that all supported languages will be bundled w/the N9.
Unlike with some handsets Nokia sells...
Originally Posted by marxian
Why are homescreens w/widgets better than a homescreen/s with live apps?
I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.
I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.
They're just different, I don't think one is vastly superior than the other.
Nevertheless we don't know for sure...
If the configurability we now believe to not be there, won't be after release.
It remains to be seen whether....
Some parts become opened, or sufficient is already open, or work-arounds are found.
It's too early to be concluding the UI's too liimited, & the hackability's not there.
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Originally Posted by marxian
That's exactly the reason why the N9 is much more attractive than, let's say... the N900.
I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.
I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.
That's a very big and common mistake to make everything configurable. The users want something which just looks nice and is easy and efficient to use. The ingredients for a good usability are:
- Simple structure, where the user will not get los (e.g.: only 3 screens, no folders, no widgets)
- Fast/responsive UI
- No fancy elements which makes the software more diificult to ease by adding "visual pollution" instead of emphasizing the elements that matter.
Configurability (including custom widgets) give the opportunity to see online awful screenshots. As a result, it gives a very bad
impression on the software, even if it just because of a bad configuration.
Radical design decisions, if well-thought, make the UX better.
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Originally Posted by marxian
True. WebOS uses swipe nicely and it is a pleasure to swipe up to close apps and switch between them. However on day 2 i was suddenly trying to add apps to the desktop. Don't see the reason why a perfectly fine phone screen real estate could not be used for placing shortcuts/widgets. This is backward progress.
I think many N900 owners (especially those that enjoy customising their homescreens using Queen Beecon etc) will be underwhelmed by Swipe UI once the novelty has worn off.
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2011-09-02
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Originally Posted by delmar
I'm still holding out for SOMEBODY to support native Klingon support.
Is there any information about the languages included in N9?
P.S. Sorry for my bad English, I’m trying to give my best.
Originally Posted by jalyst
Remember, Nokia got them to join in on this venture together and then gave them the middle finger first.
Faaaaaaark!!!!!!!
Intel if this is true, you just give us the big middle finger.
You arseholes....
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I would take issue with that. The basic concept is nice (swiping to get to the task switcher is intuitive), but the current implementation is too limiting. I often find it to be less productive than using Maemo 5, and the lack of 'proper' homescreens is a fail IMO. Having alternate states for applications when minimised is not an adequate replacement for homescreen widgets.
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Originally Posted by bwalter
So, how do you explain the success of Android? Which users will share your view? Existing N900 owners and geeks? Unlikely, I say. Mr Joe Average? Maybe. But he won't get to hear about the N9, and he seems to be enjoying his customisable Android homescreens (judging by the sales figures).
That's exactly the reason why the N9 is much more attractive than, let's say... the N900.
That's a very big and common mistake to make everything configurable. The users want something which just looks nice and is easy and efficient to use. The ingredients for a good usability are:
- Simple structure, where the user will not get los (e.g.: only 3 screens, no folders, no widgets)
- Fast/responsive UI
- No fancy elements which makes the software more diificult to ease by adding "visual pollution" instead of emphasizing the elements that matter.
Configurability (including custom widgets) give the opportunity to see online awful screenshots. As a result, it gives a very bad
impression on the software, even if it just because of a bad configuration.
Radical design decisions, if well-thought, make the UX better.
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Originally Posted by marxian
There is no real love for Android. It is just the only existing alternative which has all the needed features and a strong marketing behind it. Nothing to compare with the "passion" the Iphone owners have for their phone.
So, how do you explain the success of Android? Which users will share your view? Existing N900 owners and geeks? Unlikely, I say. Mr Joe Average? Maybe. But he won't get to hear about the N9, and he seems to be enjoying his customisable Android homescreens (judging by the sales figures).
I am pretty sure that the N9 is more likely to produce pride and it is probably at least as good as real marketing.
Regarding the configurability, I of course do not mean that it is bad (I also belong to the minority of users who enjoy to configure everything). I just mean that is not good for the mass compared to a simple/consistent look'n feel.
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Originally Posted by delmar
World-of-mouth marketing is extremely powerful. I don't know if it will be enough for the N9, but something to take into account...
Problem is that the mass doesn't know that N9 is existing and/or will not be able to get it.
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