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Ooh, and I did search before asking this.

The volume rocker is the volume control on the top left edge of the N900, right above where it's labeled "N900".

The volume rocker operates like a rocker/see-saw/teeter-totter.
Push the left end for quieter, push the right end for louder.

^ Thanks.

On the N800, we have zoom in and out keys instead.

They act like F7 and F8 keys.

They also don't do anything for the Diablo version of Pyradio.

Does anyone know the exact output these rocker keys have?

If so, I can simply remap them on my end.

Also, whatever happened with the volume by command line that was mentioned earlier in this thread, Saint?

My fault.. been a while since I used the N810 and forgot that it didn't have external volume controls.

IIRC you should be able to click on the clock area to drop down a menu-like system and change the volume in there. You shouldn't need to open Media Player to change the volume.

I don't recall command line volume but at one point I had installed a 'graphical' volume slider on the screen but it was a pain. I couldn't get the volume level to save over restarts, but more importantly, it was easy to accidentally hit it and change the volume unintentionally so I scrapped it.

If I can ever dig up my N810 again and find out how I did I'll post here.. but I know there was a way to change the volume on the N810 without going into the Media Player.

So I booted my N810 and there's no 'clock' area but there is a speaker icon in the top right that controls the volume for pyRadio.

Hiya Saint!

So there should be a speaker icon within Pyradio itself or are you referring to the one that comes with the desktop?

I have advanced-backlight installed.

To get full output, the volume on that is set to 100 but I need to still have Media Player open and also have that maxed out as well.

When a new song begins I also have to wiggle the volume slider thingy in Media Player each time.

There's is no volume icon for this app that I can tell.

Correct.. I'll say it again - I use the default media that comes with the device. Whatever way you would normally raise the volume of any other application should raise the volume here as well. I don't provide any volume control in the application itself.

I don't know if Advanced Backlight messes with anything or not, but part of the N8x0 desktop itself includes a speaker icon in the top right that you slide right and left and that turns the volume up for all your system sounds, notification sounds, etc. and also should mess with the volume of pyRadio.

This picture is a random one I found on Google looking for N800 Diablo and surprisingly it's hosted here somewhere:


Now, that icon looks different than mine, but it's in the same place, it's a small speaker icon up next to the green dot and wireless icon.

On my N810 I have a Bluetooth icon, Backlight icon, Speaker Icon, Wireless Icon, and Battery Icon.

That speaker icon turns my pyRadio up and down without doing anything in pyRadio itself. It's possible you have third party software installed that has messed with OSSO or 'enhanced' something in some way but is messing with the systems ability to raise/lower the volume. But there should be no reason that you need the Media Player open in addition to the regular speaker slider at the top of the desktop.

Oh I get it.. if you open the Media Player up you can actually raise the volume beyond what the system volume slider allows.

No, there's no way to do that for pyRadio currently. I'm not even sure how I would.. when/if I get a chance to mess with pyRadio again I will check out what my old volume slider would set it to when I went up to 100. It would seem logical to me that the system slider goes up to 100 and the Media Player is somehow pushing it beyond that... but I might be wrong and the system slider only goes to 50 or something.

Or it could be the N8x0 uses the sliders differently and the master volume is entirely separate from the media playing volume. Either way.. interesting find.. but nothing the app can do about it right now .

Sorry Dude.

Okay chief. Thanks for finally understanding what I was talking about.

Yeah, when using Media Player along with this, the volume can really get pushed out quite nicely.

I was hoping for some other trick in getting the output like that all of the time.

Is it possible to give me the readout of
xbindkeys -k
with the two volume buttons on your N900?

Maybe that could be some type of work around for this.

THANK YOU!

Unfortunately it's not going to be quite that simple because I don't map to keys in my application.

The way it works is in the background of the N8x0 and the N900, essentially all Maemo devices, is an audio process. For N8x0 this is OSSO and N900 this is MAFW. This is completely independent of any running application and controls your system sounds, your ringtones, your whatever.

On the N900, it is built into the system that when using the volume rockers it turns that background output up and down so people can turn their phone ringtones up and down with an external controller. That way if you're in a meeting or something you can quickly turn the volume way down by holding it in or whatever.

In the N8x0 it appears this holds several different volume's for different tasks and a 'master' volume for all of them. The 'master' volume will turn all notifications/key sounds/touch screen sounds/etc down all the way or go up to a point, but individually each thing can go up or down on it's own. There appears to be a 'default' volume for the Media sound in OSSO, and whenever pyRadio is loading the next song it is resetting to that default volume level because I am not passing one specifically (because I rely on something in the background like the master volume to set the volume for me).

The default Media Applications of the three devices interact with those background processes directly and turning the volume up or down in there sets the volume on the background process which, simply by the fact that that's what I am playing the song through, turns the volume up and down for pyRadio as well.

So remapping keys here is not going to help, because in the N8x0 there is no keys mapped in the backend to turn the volume up or down for OSSO's media player (that I'm aware of).

Now, I'm the idiot (or nice guy.. still deciding which) that released this app for both Diablo and Fremantle. I've said earlier that I won't be adding any new 'features' to pyRadio for a while because I'm lacking time... but - I could hold this argument on both sides. It could be argued, quite well, that this is a 'feature' because the volume certainly goes up, and down, with the master slider. You don't need the extra boost from the Media Player (when I used this on my N810 I never used the Media Player obviously since you just showed this to me). On the other hand.. this could be argued as a bug because there's no way to get "100%" volume.

See, on the N900 this isn't noticed because raising the slider in the Media Player app also raises that 'master' volume slider - they are linked. In Diablo this is obviously not the case.

So, since I happen to have some time this weekend, you've gone and made me curious, and the fact that it's perfectly legitimate to argue this is a bug and it's my app and I was the idiot that released it - I'll take a look over the next day or two and see what I can find out for you. I certainly can't guarantee anything again though as, once again, these background audio processes are closed sourced AFAIK so there is no documentation for me to look at to try and figure out what to do. I basically have to rip apart what other people have already done to figure it out and see if I can modify it to fit our needs.

But, MediaBox can do it, and it's python - so it's got to be possible for me to as well.