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Rauha is offline Rauha
2011-07-21 , 10:52
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#521
Originally Posted by jo21 View Post
Q2 numbers are in.
symbian is dead.nokia lost 700m dollars. half billion euro.

this is WORSE results than expected.

gj Elop you managed to make something no nokia CEO managed to.

wp7 not only have to be a success to make huge profits.

that means more than galaxy s II numbers.

16,7m smartphones sold... elop killed nokia and gave the marketshare to apple and samsung.

nokia is THIRD smartphone manufacturer.
Stock up over 3%

Results are lot bad, but lot better than expected.

Correct about Symbian. Elopcalypse finished it in few months.


EDIT: +4,75% now.
 
bbin is offline bbin
2011-07-21 , 11:04
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#522
Originally Posted by jo21 View Post
this is WORSE results than expected.
LOL! I really don't know what you expected but at least the market expected far worse

Get a grip dude. How can you sell symbian smartphones right now?

It will be 2-3 more bad quarters for Nokia until they will start to sell more. At least they are predicting to have more cash by the end of the year

I think it's lot better to sell decent products, drop to number 3, make profit and gain more ground from there.

Stock +6.52% now
 
jo21 is offline jo21
2011-07-21 , 11:06
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#523
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...y-who-app.html

@bbin in what world? stop dreaming, i doubt they will recover.

they were alreadying losing money and the CUT THE PRICE 15%, bringing more loses.
 
bbin is offline bbin
2011-07-21 , 11:17
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#524
Originally Posted by jo21 View Post
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...y-who-app.html

@bbin in what world? stop dreaming, i doubt they will recover.

they were alreadying losing money and the CUT THE PRICE 15%, bringing more loses.
You really want to link Tomi Ahonen? If you have followed him for any longer than 1 year you know that he is the worst "analyst" in the blogosphere

I remember him writing pieces like this: http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...t-phone-7.html

Give me a break.
 

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Rauha is offline Rauha
2011-07-21 , 11:19
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#525
Originally Posted by bbin View Post

Get a grip dude. How can you sell symbian smartphones right now?
After Elop ditched it before Nokia had anything to offer in its place? Bloody impossible. From slow and steady Symbian decline to armageddon in few months.

Originally Posted by bbin View Post
It will be 2-3 more bad quarters for Nokia until they will start to sell more. At least they are predicting to have more cash by the end of the year
Where is this extra cash coming from? Apple finally paying license fees? That could explain their prediction. The first payment is going to be really big.


Originally Posted by bbin View Post
I think it's lot better to sell decent products, drop to number 3, make profit and gain more ground from there.
If they can do it yes. I don't see much hope.
 
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erendorn is offline erendorn
2011-07-21 , 11:20
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#526
Originally Posted by jo21 View Post
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...y-who-app.html

@bbin in what world? stop dreaming, i doubt they will recover.

they were alreadying losing money and the CUT THE PRICE 15%, bringing more loses.
this blog as much as yourself seem to have no idea what you are talking about.. Results are indeed better than expected by the market, see the stock for yourself.
Also cutting the price means more sales. May I remind you that nokia does not only have manufacturing costs (ie, per unit), but also fixed costs (R&D, management, factories, aso..)?
Do you have any figures on them? How could you know then that decreasing the price will decrease benefits? Or is that also your "business sense"?
 

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jo21 is offline jo21
2011-07-21 , 11:24
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#527
Originally Posted by bbin View Post
You really want to link Tomi Ahonen? If you have followed him for any longer than 1 year you know that he is the worst "analyst" in the blogosphere

I remember him writing pieces like this: http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...t-phone-7.html

Give me a break.
he was on spot on sales this quarter.

nokia not even 20m range. and passed by both apple and samsung. and they are not even making money. 700m dollars lost.
a few months ago they were outselling both combined.
they even cut the 15% prices so dont expect any profit soon.

the dumphones are making more money than smartphones now.
and of course they can't sell symbian, after abortion elop said.

microsoft better start paying people to buy nokia smartphones, because right now wp7 are tiny.
Last edited by jo21; 2011-07-21 at 11:26.
 
Rauha is offline Rauha
2011-07-21 , 11:26
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#528
Originally Posted by erendorn View Post
this blog as much as yourself seem to have no idea what you are talking about.. Results are indeed better than expected by the market, see the stock for yourself.
Also cutting the price means more sales. May I remind you that nokia does not only have manufacturing costs (ie, per unit), but also fixed costs (R&D, management, factories, aso..)?
Do you have any figures on them? How could you know then that decreasing the price will decrease benefits? Or is that also your "business sense"?
It's just the latest of Tomi's angry rants. He did get one thing right.

"We are witnessing world record destruction of a brand"

Nokia circa 2009-2012 is going to be in many business study books as interesting example of epic downfall.
 

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jo21 is offline jo21
2011-07-21 , 11:29
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#529
to make it more funny.

they even lost money being pay 430m euro in royalties.

so it was far worse LOL-

tweets from analyst, and phone business people like tomi and eldar are hilarious.

nokia broke so many failure records this quarters.

and apple profits ones.
Last edited by jo21; 2011-07-21 at 11:31.
 
bbin is offline bbin
2011-07-21 , 11:36
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#530
Originally Posted by jo21 View Post
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they even lost money being pay 430m euro in royalties.
LOL! Oh man, you're breaking my heart

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...76K01W20110721

You clearly have no sense of source critique.
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