Originally Posted by MINKIN2

You might be on to something there. These sales people are very likely to have the latest iPhones and super-droids, some may have been given to them by droid & apple promotions likewise.

They may have already invested a fair wad of $$$ in their chosen app market and with every free promo device or upgrade can take their apps with them. So Nokia/MS might see even more reluctant salesmen than expected as they would not want to re-purchase what little they can from the MS market.

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

so in a summary Microsoft looked like Nokia's only hope, because Nokia can make demands, On the Android Os it's do as i say by Google.

So modifications that Nokia can add in the Windows phone 7 Os, they cannot add in the Android Os,

Originally Posted by Cue

I wouldn't be surprised if MS start to pay commission to employees for WP sales. It makes sense.

Ummm.. no. First, the Google route gives WIIIIDE room for customization despite Google's insisting on a pure Google experience (i.e. Amazon Kindle Fire, Nook Color, etc.). I can't see how the story, as you tell it, is true. Second, Microsoft made SPECIFIC and very firm demands for specifications that Nokia STILL has to adhere to despite the wiggle room Nokia is being given. This HAS been talked about quite a bit already.

So my question still stands unanswered: What map reasons?

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

> Well if you think i'm making it up, Go read the press release for yourself. I can't be bother at the moment to go look for them.

Nokia is allowed By Microsoft, To make changes to the CORE Windows phone platform(where allowed) [Notice i said changes, and not customization] ,Nokia is helping to build and innovate, what Windows phone grows into, Not Skins, and not only for nokia devices, But for the whole, Windows phone experience.

> Specs and Innovations are two different things, I'm not windows fan boy, Not android fanboy, Not Meego fan boy, So i'm being objective, You need to see things from different point of views, Yes you like android, Yes google says android is Open source, but at it's CORE, it is not.

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

I cannot remember why but Maps play a big part of it, think it has to be with companies paying royalties for map useage one of the reasons.

> But you might say, this is a small price to pay No, Not in the eyes of nokia, For Ex (Every-time i say Ex. i mean Example)
OK for Ex. Nokia Paid. 8.1 Billion for Navteq, and provide free off-line maps, which has been improved and refined(this is their biggest selling points), Google maps is a lose of investment..

Task: Find out how Google makes money off Google maps....

> But then you might say, what about Bing maps then?

Task: Find out who supplies Bing maps.

This is for the same reason Apple stopped using Gmaps for iphoto on iOs

Originally Posted by danramos

I can't be bothered finding a press release to cite your own point. For my part, you do realize I pointed out two platforms (Amazon Kindle and Nook Color) where changes (synonymous with customization) in Android were made at the CORE of the operating system (i.e. not just the skins), right? I think I provided a sufficiently lucent explanation of that and your language semantics danced around addressing the clear question I asked given the points I've made. I'm not sure that the openness of Android's operating system (even at its CORE... which, near as I can tell is open enough for Kindle/Nook/CyanogenMOD/etc) was ever brought up as a tangible point of this question about why Nokia wouldn't want to put what you seem to claim is such an excellent mapping program out onto other platforms such as Android. Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?



Aren't you proving here why Nokia Maps should be on MORE platforms, like Android, not less? I'm still not sure you understand your own point.

Originally Posted by danramos

Your claim to objectivity is in question, considering the way you've skirted the question and provided clearly and provably incorrect argument back to a simple question: what mapping issue?

Originally Posted by Cue

I think he answered your question already. Bing maps isn't a competitor to Nokias map services. Bing maps are "powered" by Nokia
http://searchengineland.com/nokia-no...ng-maps-108598

The real question is why didn't they develop both Android as well as WP7 devices?

•Nokia would adopt Windows Phone as its principal smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.

•Nokia would help drive the future of Windows Phone. Nokia would contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.

What confuses me is why they plan to become more about devices and maps and abandoned their OS and services sector so badly when Nokia themselves were talking about how ecosystems are more important than manufacturing devices. What is also contradictory is Elops memo about the inability of keeping up with the latest hardware then choosing WP. Clearly we will never get what their plans are because they will never discuss it openly.

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.

Originally Posted by Ashbeck

According to the Press release for Microsoft.





According to Elop, Androids problem is their fragmentation. So he says, To be honest, I'm getting tired of this whole Nokia story, because Nokia is a grown up company, and the Boards can make wise decisions.

Nokia is Nostalgic, and conservative this is what i have been trying to explain, But i am not very good at Explaining things, Blame the Msn and blackberry.