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#51
Some miniSD (not SDHC) cards >2GB do work, as I expected :-).

Here an EMTEC miniSD 4GB 80x (bought in France) was detected properly and does work well (I've filled w/ media files and used them) with my N810 (OS2008: 2.2007.50-2), despite dmesg shows:

.. attempt to access beyond end of device
.. mmcblk1: rw=1, want=3932228, limit=3932160
(not particularly scary)

`df` on the empty card says:
/dev/mmcblk1p1 3985408 32 3985376 0% /media/mmc1

speedtest.sh reports approx 3MB/sec writing and 9MB/sec reading (the internal mmc2 is around 3MB/sec writing and 6MB/sec reading).
 
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#52
Ok more info about speedtesting...

cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor will give you your current cpu governor setting

echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor should peg the cpu to fullspeed
echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor should set the n8x0 back to standard speed scaling
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My speedruns with 'performance' and Kingston 4GB Class 6: miniSD At 86% full capacity
57.85s / 13.31s
55.39s / 14.12s
39.02s / 13.24s
44.19s / 14.14s
42.37s / 13.40s

Best time:
2.56 MB/s write
7.55 MB/s read

Does SD get slower as it fills up?
 
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#53
Originally Posted by wwp View Post
despite dmesg shows:

.. attempt to access beyond end of device
.. mmcblk1: rw=1, want=3932228, limit=3932160
(not particularly scary)

`df` on the empty card says:
/dev/mmcblk1p1 3985408 32 3985376 0% /media/mmc1
It may sound scary to someone. Looks like you have bigger partition (3985408 blocks) than size of whole card (3932160 blocks). This will cause problems sooner or later. In fact the error means that it already happened.
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#54
I believe the version.txt file is used for DRM or something on the Navigation subscription, and points past the end intentionally.
 
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Originally Posted by jibanes View Post
I also suggest some random i/o patterns rather than sequential i/o, but most importantly what would be REALLY useful is to know how many writes such or such card or brand or type of card allow, it's flash technology, therefore it has a limited amount of write cycles available, which obviously is clearly not advertised, and these numbers vary quite a lot from constructor to constructor (and often from same cards from the same manufacturer, but different revision numbers). But performing such tests are indeed destructive, although that'd be worth it.

Benchmarks in sequential i/o are somewhat useless, because as long as the card is fast enough to play a movie (the contrary would be surprising) then it's fast enough for anything you would want to do that involves sequential i/o on a flash card (unless if you're intending to put a database on such card and do some table scans). Random i/o is probably closer to what people are using these cards for. If you're just storing movies on such card, then maybe, just maybe you bought the wrong kind of device, and you should have looked for some video ipod or anything (archos, creative zen...?) preferably with a harddrive. Because the point of storing 10 movies on a card is somewhat meaningless (that's when streaming media is usually more valuable than reading from the flash card); and needless to say, the cost of a 12GB/8GB card is almost as high as the cost of 10 dvds.

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Now, let me ask the N810 community, what do you intend to use your 6GB+ flash card for? Now don't get me wrong, it's fine to have your favorite movie on your flash card (as long as it's "Wargames"), I'm just saying that it somewhat defeats the purpose of flash memory.
First, Flash is about as fast at random as sequential access -- it's slower than RAM by enough that loading whole addresses instead of increments isn't a major penalty, and it's not like a disk where pulling a long stream of bits off as the disk goes can be is bus-saturatingly fast, but spinning the disk a different speed (for CLV disks) and slewing the head to the new track is slow. So the benchmarks should be fairly reliable, and definitely a fair comparison between units. Any random access penalty will be bus-dependent, and thus "fair".

What I use a 6GB+ flash card for (in my N800, I don't have an N810 ? Well, I've had it for ~2 months, and I've got:
~160 MB - Manual backup of OS2008 root partition (so I could recover manually installed progs and stuff)
~540 MB - Music, MP3s, mainly >=128kbps. More coming, but I haven't got it on yet.
~300 MB - Maemo Mapper dbs, some of world, US, state, and local area at various (appropriate) zoom levels. Still haven't downloaded all the maps I want, as I can only do this with strong wifi and plugged in. (I've only got stuff from one repo, at present, so multiply x5 or so just to get all the repos I want, much less the areas I haven't got yet.)
Total, ~1.2 GB, but it'll be a lot more with more music and WAY MORE maps. The maps, I think, are a big thing. With the N810's GPS, Maemo Mapper would be even more useful. And I want a lot of maps available.
 
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To remain a bit off topic, I want to use my n810 for everything. Web, music, video, reading, the occasional GPS function, reading, to pick up girls with, as a remote control to my home media. It would also be great if it could run out to the store for me, but I will temper my expectations.

I am not looking for the n810 to be a long term storage solution as a PMP. But I do want it to be a short term one. I will swap out media as I need to. if the card dies, I will buy another.

I am interested though in the possibility of using thumb drives through adapters into my micro USB...
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I do thumb drives with the micro to mini B (see host mode made easy thread), and a mini-b to A female. Or actually I have a number of microSD keychain USB drives as well - I just leave the microSD in the thumb drive where it is protected, and swap there often several times per day instead of some other method. At MicroCenter, 8Gb thumbdrives are $29.95, and I think newegg has them for that price too.
 
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Originally Posted by tz1 View Post
I do thumb drives with the micro to mini B (see host mode made easy thread), and a mini-b to A female. Or actually I have a number of microSD keychain USB drives as well - I just leave the microSD in the thumb drive where it is protected, and swap there often several times per day instead of some other method. At MicroCenter, 8Gb thumbdrives are $29.95, and I think newegg has them for that price too.
Do you do heavy access to the thumb drives? I was thinking of putting video and audio on it and am wondering if the battery life would be significantly worse playing media through the thumb drive vs a mini sd in the built in slot.
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I've played video for a half hour. They probably don't take much more than the internal flash drives, or put differently, the backlight, processor and video take more so would be the issue in draining the battery. Of course mine say 100mA, but that is peak or worst case, so they may be trickling at a much lower level.
 

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#60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...%2bmini%2bsdhc

Class 6 8gb Mini SDHC for 38.99... doesn't get much cheaper than that.
 
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