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Originally Posted by Texrat
Me likey how are so vague ... keeps me wanting to come back to such vague, pointless, uninformative, non-comittal, neither-here-nor-there, non-disclosing but full of promises posts of yours.
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2008-03-24
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Originally Posted by spartanNTX
Not so simply; the iTouch tosses some other stuff (BT, camera, speaker, volume buttons) as well. Which makes it a lot harder sell to N8x0 people than if it was just an iPhone with no phone...
I realize that it is outside of the intent of the original poster, but the iPod Touch does exactly that.
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2008-03-25
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It was also an confusing thing to say, as when I said that you couldn't ignore the phone in an iPhone, it had nothing to do with an iPod touch, which is a different device and obviously not a phone.
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2008-03-25
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Originally Posted by sachin007
It would have been interesting for sure, but as we know the 770 and N800 were released with probably a micro team and budget compared to other products in Nokia's portfolio. It would be interesting to see the 'completely open' versus 'closed garden' though. I see plenty of people happy with their IT's stability. I haven't rebooted mine in at least a week, use it for VOIP everyday etc, the main argument for most corporate talking heads is stability, we all load pre-alpha to early beta software on these tablets everyday and probably experience more stability than is found in WinMo, Palm or Symbian.
it would have been interesting if nokia released the n800 with a phone, about the same time the iphone was released. then would the nit's would have been similarly as the iphone.
Or if Apple released the touch only..... then would it have gained as much popularity of the iphone/the internet tablets??
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2008-03-25
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Good point, mobile divide. I'm also curious as to how the NIT would fare (in the marketplace) had it been infused with more support (cash and development personnel, marketing, etc) from Nokia.
Seeing as Apple is making money left and right from iphone (from mobile operator, from developers, users, itunes content maker, etc) everyone is propelling that platform further and further along, unlike Nokia which doesn't seem to get much support except from the diehard users and independent developers.
As to what the corporate talking heads want, I think they prefer corporate support and brand name (Something visible that other big names have already used giving it 'track record') compared to 'stability'.
Seeing as Apple is making money left and right from iphone (from mobile operator, from developers, users, itunes content maker, etc) everyone is propelling that platform further and further along, unlike Nokia which doesn't seem to get much support except from the diehard users and independent developers.
As to what the corporate talking heads want, I think they prefer corporate support and brand name (Something visible that other big names have already used giving it 'track record') compared to 'stability'.
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2008-03-25
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its interesting how much "power" that gsm radio have in all this...
and also:
sure, their products work. but they do so by locking you into the apple ecosystem.
its like a tech fashion show more then a geek fest imo.
but thats very imo...
btw, im the kind of person that wonder why people claim they need ms office, adobe photoshop or any other "brand name" app to get something done, when more often then not any other similar app could have done the exact job.
but then im not much of a brand name kind of guy. i balk at buying a expensive product just because some logo is slapped on it...
and to me, apple is an example of that in the tech world.
Last edited by tso; 2008-03-25 at 06:11.
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
for me personally, its the style vs substance of apple.
They are clearly different products. i have both and like both. I don't quite understand why there is so much animosity to the apple devices here.
sure, their products work. but they do so by locking you into the apple ecosystem.
its like a tech fashion show more then a geek fest imo.
but thats very imo...
btw, im the kind of person that wonder why people claim they need ms office, adobe photoshop or any other "brand name" app to get something done, when more often then not any other similar app could have done the exact job.
but then im not much of a brand name kind of guy. i balk at buying a expensive product just because some logo is slapped on it...
and to me, apple is an example of that in the tech world.
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2008-03-25
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Originally Posted by tso
i think most of the people who gravitate towards apple, and who are frustrated with the n800 are the non-geeks.
its interesting how much "power" that gsm radio have in all this...
and also:
for me personally, its the style vs substance of apple.
sure, their products work. but they do so by locking you into the apple ecosystem.
its like a tech fashion show more then a geek fest imo.
but thats very imo...
btw, im the kind of person that wonder why people claim they need ms office, adobe photoshop or any other "brand name" app to get something done, when more often then not any other similar app could have done the exact job.
but then im not much of a brand name kind of guy. i balk at buying a expensive product just because some logo is slapped on it...
and to me, apple is an example of that in the tech world.
honestly, there is no other program than photoshop - gimp doesn't even come close to the high end features that CS3 provides, but i still love gimp for what it offers FOR FREE!
that said, i miss my old universities computer labs.
as for apple - you turn it on and everything works seamlessly - non of this "reflash this, install that" - Ubuntu is trying to get there, but it's a long ways off.
I sold my powerbook because it was too expensive to upgrade, but that doesn't mean i don't miss it.
the n800 is still a geek toy, i'm having fun with it - but you have to admit, it seems really half-assed from Nokia, considering the well rounded quality and professionalism of their other products -
part of this must be from the growing pains of trying to go open source, but at some point, you just want pda functionality - that's the complaint you see over and over on these boards, and the only real response you get (other than the cop-out, "deal with it, it's not a pda") is to use GPE, which frankly, isn't very robust for 2500 full detailed contacts.
people bash outlook and M$, but I'm seeing little in terms of robust alternatives, especially here in the n8X0 series.
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2008-03-25
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Originally Posted by tso
And you have a right to that opinion, as long as you remember that that is what it is. Obviously any computer ties you to its ecosystem, as you need software for it, parts for it. No different than any other system, just that in the windows/linux/PC world, becasue it is a much bigger market you don't see the locks because they are wider.
sure, their products work. but they do so by locking you into the apple ecosystem.
its like a tech fashion show more then a geek fest imo.
but thats very imo...
Originally Posted by tso
I am not someone who uses brand names either, but sadly I am not in the 'more often than not' catagory that you are.
btw, im the kind of person that wonder why people claim they need ms office, adobe photoshop or any other "brand name" app to get something done, when more often then not any other similar app could have done the exact job.
If you actually 'need' photoshop or ms office, that is what you need. Neither of them have an equivilent piece of software. Sure, you can do similar things with other software, but not the same thing. I hate office with a passion, but in my job I have to use it. There is nothing else that does exactly the same job (and I wish there was). I have tried all the office clones, open source or commercial.
Again with photoshop, there is nothing to touch it if you need what it does although like you say, most people don't need what it does, they just pirated it as it was easier than getting something else.
Originally Posted by tso
I do to, I never buy something because of a trend, but to me apple isn't that. It is something that works without the hassle. If the nokia IT did what my iPod did, I would use it, but it doesn't. If a linux or windows PC did what my mac does, I would have it, but they don't so I don't. I don't see why I should compromise what I need because it is fasionable to call apple just a style thing.
but then im not much of a brand name kind of guy. i balk at buying a expensive product just because some logo is slapped on it...
and to me, apple is an example of that in the tech world.
But unlike what seems to be really common here, if someone else doesn't want to use what I am using, I really don't find it a big problem.
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2008-03-25
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Originally Posted by sleepkyng
i guess it should have specified that i do not talk professional stuff here. i talk home use. and hell, for home use even gimp is overkill more times then not. but at least its free.
i think most of the people who gravitate towards apple, and who are frustrated with the n800 are the non-geeks.
honestly, there is no other program than photoshop - gimp doesn't even come close to the high end features that CS3 provides, but i still love gimp for what it offers FOR FREE!
as for apple - you turn it on and everything works seamlessly - non of this "reflash this, install that" - Ubuntu is trying to get there, but it's a long ways off.
this because i suspect a lot of the issue with linux distro are that they are plopped onto "unknown" configurations. one often see people go on about the "wasted space" because the distros put so much unused stuff into kernel modules and similar. but guess what, that unused stuff may only be unused on that particular kind of hardware combo.
dell and hp are known to change parts between production runs, but without changing the overall number of the product. this they can get away with because they can prepackage windows with the new drivers. or hell, have a image made that takes into account all the different hardware variants tanks to "overloaded" drivers.
given how there are little to no support from many of the hardware makers, im continually surprised as to how well the different linux distros work when slapped onto a random combination of hardware. a similar move with windows would require one to be a DJ/squid given the number of driver discs one would have to swap during install.
I sold my powerbook because it was too expensive to upgrade, but that doesn't mean i don't miss it.
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2008-03-25
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Originally Posted by tabletrat
i guess it depends on what one define as a ecosystem. i think its just funny that in this day and age, when even osx runs on x86, apple still insist on tying the os to "their" hardware.
And you have a right to that opinion, as long as you remember that that is what it is. Obviously any computer ties you to its ecosystem, as you need software for it, parts for it. No different than any other system, just that in the windows/linux/PC world, becasue it is a much bigger market you don't see the locks because they are wider.
I am not someone who uses brand names either, but sadly I am not in the 'more often than not' catagory that you are.
If you actually 'need' photoshop or ms office, that is what you need. Neither of them have an equivilent piece of software. Sure, you can do similar things with other software, but not the same thing. I hate office with a passion, but in my job I have to use it. There is nothing else that does exactly the same job (and I wish there was). I have tried all the office clones, open source or commercial.
Again with photoshop, there is nothing to touch it if you need what it does although like you say, most people don't need what it does, they just pirated it as it was easier than getting something else.
people pirating photoshop to do silly filter combos, when they could just have downloaded gimp. using ms word to write something when even the notepad app that comes with windows would do. thats the kind of stuff that im talking about.
I do to, I never buy something because of a trend, but to me apple isn't that. It is something that works without the hassle. If the nokia IT did what my iPod did, I would use it, but it doesn't. If a linux or windows PC did what my mac does, I would have it, but they don't so I don't. I don't see why I should compromise what I need because it is fasionable to call apple just a style thing.
But unlike what seems to be really common here, if someone else doesn't want to use what I am using, I really don't find it a big problem.
but then i also keep saying that the iphone is a product of the us mobile phone market. at least thats the impression im left with when people talk about special tethering plans needed to use their phone as a internet connection of their laptop or other devices.
btw, what was that quite about freedom and safety again?
oh, and to give one more indication of the kind of person i am. i would have much rather seen w3c go with ogg video and audio as default web format. no matter how much worse the video part is then other codecs out there.
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