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besides, my ranting is more for the other low level users who dont have a sufficient understanding to be able to do the things proposed here to get a2dp to work...

It's frusterating... I have a fair amount of knowledge when it comes to this crap... yet still I have just NOT enough to be able to get this to work... I follow the threads and nothing works. the best I've done is get a2dp to work in kagu in an older version of maemo... but it works only just. and it's somewhat buggy.

My aim is not to discourage, frankly I doubt I could, Just to point out some rather obvious flaws and perhaps vent a bit... so really, by responding to me... you are only validating my frustrations.
 
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Dude, Bluetooth is not part of some underlying sound system or something. In windows, there is something called drivers that are made by either Microsoft or Broadcom, etc... Now, these drivers EMULATE (kinda) a sound card, which windows just sees as a normal sound card. So windows is not really doing anything... Now, have you tried to mess with the sound on windows? Yea, there is something called ASIO, which is needed for real time sound applications like Guitar Rig and stuff. It took a lot of hacking to get ASIO4ALL to work, just like what is going on here. Though I agree that sound is more unified (even though there is more than one, aka ASIO and PulseAudio) on windows, and was quite good on Vista, the open nature of Linux promotes many different sound systems. And I can use Stereo Mix on Linux! yea!

Now, the problem on the tablets is that the drivers don't have Bluetooth stereo. What the people here are are trying to do is put those features back into the tablet. Give them some respect. Im guessing that soon the DSP thing will start to work, and there will be a .deb (i hope ).

On another note, it took me about a week of hard work to install bluetooth on Vista (not microsoft's crappy bluetooth, but broadcom driver). A week wasted on somthing that was really plug and play on linux.

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Although I like things without wires, I'm still rather fond of my totally unkewl-craptastic Logitech Bluetooth headphones with dongle. They work with absolutely anything that has an audio out port and have no effect on the device's battery life whatsoever. So A2DP is something I don't miss at all on the tablet.
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Originally Posted by IcoNyx View Post
My aim is not to discourage, frankly I doubt I could, Just to point out some rather obvious flaws and perhaps vent a bit... so really, by responding to me... you are only validating my frustrations.
. . . and point out a lot of your own misconceptions and idiocy, too.

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Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
Dude, Bluetooth is not part of some underlying bla bla bla, Im a douche bag, garbage garbage...Yea, there is something called ASIO,
wait... what?

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
...which is needed for real time sound applications like Guitar Rig and stuff. It took a lot of hacking to get ASIO4ALL to work...
in other words: no NORMAL user could use it... also you mentioned a batch of applications that only a music nerd would use... dude... think a little broader...


Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
, just like what is going on here.
No what is going on here is that a batch of douche bags are arguing with another douche bag (yes, I'll admit to my own douche baggery) about whether or not a2dp is possible on the Nokia internet tablets... dude, keep up.

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
Though I agree that sound is more unified (even though there is more than one, aka ASIO and PulseAudio) on windows, and was quite good on Vista, the open nature of Linux promotes many different sound systems.
...Have you ever heard the term, "too many cooks"? well guess what? because the douche bags in the Linux dev community can't get their heads our of their respective butts long enough to decide on a SINGLE SOUND ARC, we are stuck with an obvious LACK of unified sound support.

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
And I can use Stereo Mix on Linux! yea!
Congratulations on finally coming out of the closet.

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
Now, the problem on the tablets is that the drivers don't have Bluetooth stereo. What the people here are are trying to do is put those features back into the tablet. Give them some respect. Im guessing that soon the DSP thing will start to work, and there will be a .deb (i hope ).
Ok, for this one I won't poke fun, I know what you mean, and I DO understand how these things work, trust me. However, I also know that the final solution will involve some 3rd party application that will incorporate the creators personal artistic preferences and such (I site kagu) What is NEEDED is for an implementation of a2dp that pipes ALL SOUND--not just sound from a particular source--into the headset. and that my friend, will never happen.

Originally Posted by Thesandlord View Post
On another note, it took me about a week of hard work to install bluetooth on Vista (not microsoft's crappy bluetooth, but broadcom driver). A week wasted on somthing that was really plug and play on linux.
psha! My good man! that's because you were trying to install the silly broadcom BT stack! If your Bluetooth reciever was from broadcom, then bully for ya, but I can GUARAN-FRIKEN-TEE it was some OEM jobby, like from Dell, HP, linksys,or some such garbage. In such case you need to install the OEM BT FIRMWARE package, which installs both the driver and attempts to update the firmware... I have no idear why the hell they did this... but thus far I haven't encountered a single OEM system/BT dongle that does NOT do this... silly OEM companies...


Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Although I like things without wires, I'm still rather fond of my totally unkewl-craptastic Logitech Bluetooth headphones with dongle. They work with absolutely anything that has an audio out port and have no effect on the device's battery life whatsoever. So A2DP is something I don't miss at all on the tablet.
Wires... look dude, what the hell is the point of having a bluetooth reciever if you cant friken USE it?!? And don't start in with the crap about "file transfer" Look I have an a USB cable, I can plug and pray a hell of a lot faster than you can sync and transfer. and to all you cell phone idiots... seriously... I have a laptop and my n810... nothing more needed.

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
. . . and point out a lot of your own misconceptions and idiocy, too.

gj!
eeeeh! wrong answer douche bag!

look I have a pretty good grasp on this crap, I'm probably the only person in this thread with a Submersion cooled PC (that I built from scratch) so yeah, I have a decent grasp on hardware. also I install operating systems for a friken living so I also have a semblance of foundation knowledge regarding the difference between a driver and a module (seriously, why cant you people keep them strait?) I DON'T have programming knowledge. so I can't fix things... but if I WERE a programmer... first thing I'd do: build my own OS for the n810. but I can't so I'm stuck probeing these worthless threads for any clue as to how to get the DEFAULT MEDIA PLAYER TO USE A2DP!!!

now PLEASE stop feeding the thread troll!!!
 
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You know, if you went away, no one would feed you. But I suppose that's a cool way to try to get the last word.

As long as it stays here, in a thread titled "Is diablo gonna support A2DP??" (which is answered long since), you're pretty harmless. It's fun poking harmless things with a stick.
 

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IcoNyx: I use canola (which can use mplayer for a backend) with A2DP all the time. Mediabox works too. I'd actually explain that any app that uses ALSA (The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, ie the official one) directly to play sound can use A2DP but I don't think you really care. I'm guessing you're here to rant, not here to learn.
 
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Originally Posted by Johnx View Post
IcoNyx: I use canola (which can use mplayer for a backend) with A2DP all the time. Mediabox works too. I'd actually explain that any app that uses ALSA (The Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, ie the official one) directly to play sound can use A2DP but I don't think you really care. I'm guessing you're here to rant, not here to learn.
Also anything using esound, or libao, to name a couple of high-level options that can be set up to use ALSA for output. For anyone who does care.
 
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After reading all of IcoNyx's posts in this thread.... I REALLY wish we had an "anti-thanks" button...
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Im guessing that soon the DSP thing will start to work, and there will be a .deb (i hope ).
DSP thing is already working for ALSA output (e.g. mplayer, kagu, etc.). It ought to be possible (he says) to tweak the conf files and get the built-in player to use the GStreamer SBC sink for output. I don't know how, I hope Nokia open up the media player to make it easier for us.

Not a single .deb yet, but a .deb + a tarball + an installation script which installs it all for you - I'm getting there
 

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