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Originally Posted by qole
What, you want me to pull up the FCC requirements for voice certification?
[citation needed]
Originally Posted by qole
[Citation needed]
That's too bad. Guess I'll have to say you're wrong then.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Well, show me evidence that it costs more to get "certifications" for 3G modems that provide voice + data, as opposed to 3G modems that provide data only. You can't tell me that you can say, "my intent is to only use this for data," and the FCC will say, "ok, then, you get the special data-only reduced rate," if the hardware for both is the same.
What, you want me to pull up the FCC requirements for voice certification?
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
Well, I say it's going to be more expensive than previous maemo devices. This just makes sense; the hardware specs are significantly higher. They're adding a nice camera and a 3G modem, and probably not taking away any of the stuff already in the current generation of tablets.
[Citation needed]
You are vaguely appealing to authority, but then you can't cite the authority. The burden of proof is yours, so until you can provide that proof, I win.
By the way, I really want to lose this. I don't want to pay $500+ for the m5.
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This just makes sense; the hardware specs are significantly higher. They're adding a nice camera and a 3G modem, and probably not taking away any of the stuff already in the current generation of tablets.
Hardware becomes cheaper over time, so that they aren't taking anything away doesn't mean that this costs the same; it probably costs cheaper in 2009. So you don't know if the OMAP3 with RAM and blahblah costs the same, less, or more as when they manufactured the OMAP2 with RAM and blahblah. So that part is moot.
Nevertheless, you have a point because a 3G modem, high quality camera, new OS all are new, and do cost a considerable amount of money more (based on other devices which do have these features added). Still, these prices go down too, and how this would add to the price is not clear.
Does HSPA provide seperate channels for phone and data? I thought GSM is for mobile phone, and 3G is for data. If thats true, then a HSPA chip not supporting GSM would be OK...
I bought a E51 today (for PIM, phone, and 3G). If I like the N97 a lot I will buy it and sell my E51. Else, I keep my E51 and consider to buy the new M5 because I can put off my data plan monthly (which is good cause it costs only 10 EUR a month, max speed, while the FUP & its known limit is acceptable for me; Vodafone BloX ftw). But both N97 and M5 seems overkill... still, warms me, to see Symbian and Nokia heading to this direction...
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2008-12-03
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Originally Posted by qole
We all want to lose this, but it ain't gonna happen that way.
By the way, I really want to lose this.
Faster processor, 3D chip, extra row of keys on the keyboard, bigger battery, and so on. But even more so because the tablet is not a mass market product like the N97, so the development costs must be amortized over a smaller number of devices.
I'm reminded of what Steve Jobs said when asked recently whether Apple might still launch a tablet. He said, dismissively "We've looked into it, and we couldn't find a way to produce anything for under $500 that wouldn't be crap". I take this to mean "Yes, we're going to produce a tablet, and you can be sure it's going to cost way over $500".
Nevertheless, if Nokia releases an awesome device it will sell well. You only need to look at how many people are buying UMPCs and MIDs in the $750 to $1000 price range.
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The next Maemo-based Nokia device will be more popular, or at the very least, aimed at a more segments therefore potentially getting more customers. Stage 4 IIRC.
The iPod and iPhone are Apple's tablets. The cheapest Macbook is their netbook. Apple cannot compete with the cheap netbooks, and they won't bother to either.
If I were Apple I would look into something like e-book readers, or solar energy.
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The iPhone is basically a tablet albeit with some (serious) restrictions here and there. The difference between a camera, smartphone, DAP, tablet, and netbook will become more vague and vague. Only dedicated high-end solutions will survive. For the rest, a combination (convergence) device will usually be 'good enough' for most people.
I'm reminded of what Steve Jobs said when asked recently whether Apple might still launch a tablet. He said, dismissively "We've looked into it, and we couldn't find a way to produce anything for under $500 that wouldn't be crap". I take this to mean "Yes, we're going to produce a tablet, and you can be sure it's going to cost way over $500".
The iPod and iPhone are Apple's tablets. The cheapest Macbook is their netbook. Apple cannot compete with the cheap netbooks, and they won't bother to either.
If I were Apple I would look into something like e-book readers, or solar energy.
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Originally Posted by qole
Clearly, this I was not disputing. I [i]was addressing the assertion that the next tablet would cost more than the N97 ($700 USD), which I don't believe to be remotely true based both on past comments by Nokia employees and based on the featureset of each device. You seem to be arguing that it'll be more expensive than $500 USD, and seem to think I'm arguing that it wont be—which I'm not.
Well, I say it's going to be more expensive than previous maemo devices. This just makes sense; the hardware specs are significantly higher. They're adding a nice camera and a 3G modem, and probably not taking away any of the stuff already in the current generation of tablets.
My own estimate puts it into the $450-$600 USD range, much less than $700 USD, but likely more than $500 USD.
Originally Posted by qole
Well, what I think we've actually come down to is that we're mostly in agreement, just having one argument over two vastly different price points.
You are vaguely appealing to authority, but then you can't cite the authority. The burden of proof is yours, so until you can provide that proof, I win.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
I'm sorry, that wasn't clear from your post:
I was addressing the assertion that the next tablet would cost more than the N97 ($700 USD)... You seem to be arguing that it'll be more expensive than $500 USD, and seem to think I'm arguing that it wont be—which I'm not...
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
A $550 device will not be "in line price-wise with previous generations" of maemo devices.
...several Nokia representatives have repeatedly stated their intention to keep the next tablet inline price-wise with previous generations.
I'll accept your estimate of "up to $600" for the m5. That seems to be a strong possibility, even if it is not in line with previous NITs.
(I still would like you to take a moment and provide citations for your assertions)
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout
You've got to be kidding me. It's that easy to do an end run around the (supposed) costs and certifications required for mobile voice devices? It seems to me that, if this were true, the carriers would all be taking advantage of this and selling handsets that used the ostensibly data-only standards to do voice. Wouldn't that be cheaper for them?
Does HSPA provide seperate channels for phone and data? I thought GSM is for mobile phone, and 3G is for data. If thats true, then a HSPA chip not supporting GSM would be OK...
I don't get this.
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The MSRP for the wimax edition N810 is $479 and wimax chips are supposedly much cheaper than GSM/HSDPA radios. All things considered the price point will probably be around $599.
The 5800 tube has an MSRP of around 279 Euros and that has all the same connectivity as the N79 but a lower spec camera (3.2 mp which I think is fine for 99% of purposes without a xenon flash) and no keyboard.
So it basically comes down to what Nokia want to achieve with the Maemo 5 device. They can aim at a bigger market with a price point of around USD$399 or shoot for the high end market at around USD$650.
The 5800 tube has an MSRP of around 279 Euros and that has all the same connectivity as the N79 but a lower spec camera (3.2 mp which I think is fine for 99% of purposes without a xenon flash) and no keyboard.
So it basically comes down to what Nokia want to achieve with the Maemo 5 device. They can aim at a bigger market with a price point of around USD$399 or shoot for the high end market at around USD$650.
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