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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by christexaport
Could it be because there's an increasing sense that Nokia hasn't proven to be the best at supporting its own community in the past? Unlike IBM, Red Hat or any number of other provably pro-community and pro-open contributors, Nokia hasn't really listened to their core community, customers, contributors and developers. It's already been covered before elsewhere so I won't bother going into a big ol' rant.
Why does this community act as if Nokia is moving along without you? From an outside perspective, I see Nokia keeping a lid on things playing the media/PR game, and on September 2-3, maemo.org will be under the spotlight, and the maemo convention will be alot bigger than ever before.
...but I can understand the generally crestfallen attitude that you're picking up on.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
You can always put those kids in commercials, to work in a sweat shop, or up for adoption.
christexaport - as much as I'd like to have the latest greatest, (1) I have a family (2 kids) so I have a limited budget and (2) I don't need to pay extra $$ for features I don't want or need.
1) I would like to be able to upgrade to faster web service in the next couple years 4g/LTE as it becomes available, cheap cellphone = cheap upgrade.
2) There are many situations where I don't want/need a smartphone with all my data on it, where I can potentially lose/break it, again, cheap cellphone wins.
3) There are times where having 2 devices / 2 batteries is desirable (long airplane trip).
Additionally, I suspect battery life will be worse than current tablets due the extra juice needed for telephony features. I'd rather have longer battery life and more flexibility with 2 devices than a single device.
Seriously though, I think if you had the cash, you'd get it. I want an LTE device, too, but I want an LTE network first. Egg before the chicken, basically. I change devices like socks and boxers, and couldn't imagine having the same device next year. That's why so many Symbianites are upset. Many of us change devices in short upgrade cycles of months rather than years, and Nokia has forced me and others to hold onto the N95 8gb far longer than we'd wished.
For file security, try Files on Ovi, and keep your files on your PC or in the cloud. I do it that way now, and its great. Too bad the phone book doesn't have a cloud component, and I feel you on that, but wouldn't losing the N810 give the same bad effect?
You make valid points which proves Nokia's plan to have many models is good to fit anyone's needs.
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2009-08-26
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I _am_ interested in a next-gen Nokia device. I like the openness and I think the UI and sync capabilities look pretty neat.
But the MSRP quoted is too rich for my blood. I'd rather have a device without a phone in it anyhow. So if there was a little brother (sort of an "iPod touch" to the N900's "iPhone," um, blasphemy etc.) in the $300-$400 range, I'd buy it.
-Jon
But the MSRP quoted is too rich for my blood. I'd rather have a device without a phone in it anyhow. So if there was a little brother (sort of an "iPod touch" to the N900's "iPhone," um, blasphemy etc.) in the $300-$400 range, I'd buy it.
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2009-08-26
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I'm gonna beat the dead horse again:
PLEASE PUT OUT AN N800 REFRESH NOKIA.
PLEASE PUT OUT AN N800 REFRESH NOKIA.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
I don't think support should be given "freely", without expecting some kind of cooperation, from users and vendors alike. It's not like "core drivers" clicked a "trash your life" checkbox.
Or is it because some of the "core drivers" feel Nokia owes them for all the work they have previously put in? I always see "community supported" thrown around. I assumed that support was given freely, not in return for some expected payment?
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2009-08-26
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I wonder if a Nokian can comment about whether there will or won't be any dev discount devices?
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2009-08-26
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I think many fail to realize that Nokia will exploit Qt to the fullest, and the Qt community will be drawn here, as will some Symbian devs. Device price hasn't kept the N97 from attracting devs, and globally, good devs are still decently paid, and surely some code monkey out there can afford this thing as well.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by christexaport
We're talking FOSS here.
I think many fail to realize that Nokia will exploit Qt to the fullest, and the Qt community will be drawn here, as will some Symbian devs. Device price hasn't kept the N97 from attracting devs, and globally, good devs are still decently paid, and surely some code monkey out there can afford this thing as well.
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2009-08-26
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles
And that shall be my new slogan for the N900 tablet!
What use is any of this if a large portion of the core drivers of the community cannot afford to buy devices?
Originally Posted by Texrat
Economic crisis or not, it's also a competitive loser. What good did higher specs and a new BluRay movie player do for the Sony Playstation 3 with such a high price? It's still, by far, the biggest loser in the console wars and they're only now realizing that they needed to compete better on price after pushing so hard to make people realize that they were buying into VALUE. People like value, sure, but it's got to a value they can afford. In their latest attempt to lower the cost of the Playstation 3, they've already lost because everyone else has had time to take the marketshare and profit ahead of Sony. Nokia had dug a whole new market of the 'Internet Tablet' (more powerful than a PDA, much smaller than a laptop or netbook.. and priced at around the price of a netbook). It had potential as a whole new kind of market.. which is something some people tried to make them aware of. I truly suspect that could that have been the 'million dollar idea' that Nokia execs were just too proud of themselves to listen to because it came from the community instead of from their own chairmembers?
Sorry, but that's a trite and cavalier slap in the face, lemmy.
No one I know volunteered to get hit with the economic crisis we find ourselves in. I'd much rather be where I was last year: in the "sure, I can afford that, no problem" set.
Originally Posted by lemmyslender
Wow. That's not at all the definition of oligarchy.
Perhaps the people that can afford it and do buy it will become the new "core drivers" of the community??
Originally Posted by christexaport
"If you had the cash, you'd get it." Are you so sure that if someone "had the cash", that they might not instead spend it better elsewhere on something more competitive? **cohubrisugh**
You can always put those kids in commercials, to work in a sweat shop, or up for adoption.
No one I know volunteered to get hit with the economic crisis we find ourselves in. I'd much rather be where I was last year: in the "sure, I can afford that, no problem" set.
EDIT: Maybe I also need to point out that the typical FOSS developer/advocate is young and probably at the lower end of pay scales? That odds are most people entering this community won't be able to pay the alleged price of this device?
For Nokia's sake, I hope that assumption is wrong.
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