Yup... info was posted by gerbick yesterday in the thread he linked to in the post above yours...

It was confirmed and a link was provided this morning some hours before the forum.Nokia post...

What bothers me about flash is that it's on the device by default. I do hope it is removable though. Don't want it don't need it.

Well on the N810 you could just remove the .so file (I think that is what the plugin is called) and no more flash...

or flashblock...

Hint: Nokia likes their devices to sell. Flash is a feature wanted by many.

Well as long as it's easy to remove(along with skype install icons and other such things) I have no serious problem with it in the end. And yes I accept that some seem to not be able to live without flash.

Though alternatives are there using things like canvas
http://glimr.rubyforge.org/cake/missile_fleet.html
http://glimr.rubyforge.org/cake/canvas.html

Seems a poor example to me as I just tried the second URL on my Linux machine and its not all that smooth at all, and that is just moving the circle around the screen. FLASH on the other hand is a thousand times smoother than that doing a thousand more manipulations than that.

So yes there are alternatives, but are they as usable on lower spec machines? I doubt it. Bearing in mind my machine is a 3.2Ghz Core 2 Duo, so if that doesn't do it smooth I would not consider it a viable alternative to FLASH.

Fact is, FLASH brought fast vector animations to what was then pretty slow PCs. This makes it ideal for mobiles where they can run it on the GPU and do not have to rely on the web browser itself having accelerated graphics, which generally they do not (desktop as well as mobile) as far as I can tell.

Sure, if all web browsers suddenly had GPU accelerated vector support we probably could drop FLASH. But until then, FLASH is the only viable (though granted, overused/abused) solution.

Don't get me wrong, most FLASH sites are aweful. But if you are out and need to look at a site, only to find its FLASH so your mobile cannot view it, that sucks. If it wasn't for advertisers using so much FLASH, it wouldn't be a problem having it installed by default. You really should be able to choose if you want FLASH or static adverts without having to resort to things like flashblock.

The main security issue with Flash is that it's made by Adobe, isn't it?

Adobe has a crappy track record when it comes to security, and they're not known for their many software updates. From running a couple of (legally licenced) Adobe products, it's easy to see that they really, really don't like giving away free updates of any kind.

And since we're on Maemo, chances are many updates aren't going to reach us anyway. I don't think we'll ever have a vulnerability-free Flash version on Maemo. I don't think most people ever has one on their desktop.

"Of the targeted attacks so far this year, more than 47 percent exploit holes in Acrobat Reader, while six vulnerabilities have been discovered that target the program" - F-Secure Chief Research Officer Mikko Hypponen, April 2009.

"Report: Adobe Flash is 'biggest security hole' on the web" - MxLogic.com, quoting research from security firm Trusteer on almost 80 percent of internet users running unpatched versions.

If only Adobe was "more like Mozilla", pushing their security patches... Not to mentioning, patching their holes in the first place.

Nokia N900 with Flash 10.1:

http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/news/it...n_the_N900.php

Folks,

9.4 Flash on the N900 is basically a beta of 10.1 mobile. This means we are actually getting a full functioning Flash over a half year before everyone else.

Not bad

It was confirmed and a link was provided this yesterday morning some hours before the forum.Nokia post...

(...he said again to no one in particular)