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Originally Posted by Nazrax
Shouldn't that be the game that programs that in? Because I don't see ANY benefit of multitasking the game with the game still working. I imagine that if you pull up the task switcher the game will pause (or I hope).
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by Nazrax
All of the normal apps at least, yes. I haven't tried Bounce specifically, it might be a special case because of its fancy graphics (or then not).
Does the current process get some sort of "incoming call" notification? For instance, if you're playing Bounce when a call comes in, will Bounce automatically pause?
The incoming call notification is a dialog on top of the current app.
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2009-09-22
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The thing I saw from this review was:
An average user (not a Nokia fan) found out about the N900. Liked what they saw, were very excited to get the N900. Realizes that this is more than just a phone. Goes to see it in person / touch use it.
After playing with it, has some "trouble" (getting call screen up) with it, Nokia rep is no help. Finds out some other info (no MMS), etc. Walks away with a feeling of "can wait" instead of previous "can't wait"!
That isn't good. It doesn't matter what we here think or what Nokia thinks. Or what tricks or shortcut we know. Or what we think appropriate use cases are. If the average user who was interested enough to go play with it (we're not talking about someone who heard about it for the first time when they saw it in the store) comes away feeling "meh" then perhaps a target was missed or overlooked. Yes, this is only step 4 of 5, but shouldn't step 4 have a little more positive reaction?
Based on that, I'd think there may be a lot of returns or slower than expected sales, which should translate into quicker/deeper price drops. Makes waiting a little longer look more attractive.
An average user (not a Nokia fan) found out about the N900. Liked what they saw, were very excited to get the N900. Realizes that this is more than just a phone. Goes to see it in person / touch use it.
After playing with it, has some "trouble" (getting call screen up) with it, Nokia rep is no help. Finds out some other info (no MMS), etc. Walks away with a feeling of "can wait" instead of previous "can't wait"!
That isn't good. It doesn't matter what we here think or what Nokia thinks. Or what tricks or shortcut we know. Or what we think appropriate use cases are. If the average user who was interested enough to go play with it (we're not talking about someone who heard about it for the first time when they saw it in the store) comes away feeling "meh" then perhaps a target was missed or overlooked. Yes, this is only step 4 of 5, but shouldn't step 4 have a little more positive reaction?
Based on that, I'd think there may be a lot of returns or slower than expected sales, which should translate into quicker/deeper price drops. Makes waiting a little longer look more attractive.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by ragnar
I'm not asking about how the notification is presented to the user - I trust that, whatever you may be doing, the notification will be displayed to you.
All of the normal apps at least, yes. I haven't tried Bounce specifically, it might be a special case because of its fancy graphics (or then not).
The incoming call notification is a dialog on top of the current app.
I'm asking whether the application itself knows that it's being interrupted and can do something intelligent in response to that interruption (automatically pausing, for instance).
I assume the answer is "yes" - something like a generic "lost focus" window manager event - but I was actually surprised on the demo videos to see Bounce keep running even after the user had switched away from it to the dashboard. I would have expected it to realize that it no longer had focus and pause itself.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by Nazrax
Well, I think they can... For instance if you have a media player and a song/video playing, this playback pauses.
I'm not asking about how the notification is presented to the user - I trust that, whatever you may be doing, the notification will be displayed to you.
I'm asking whether the application itself knows that it's being interrupted and can do something intelligent in response to that interruption (automatically pausing, for instance).
I assume the answer is "yes" - something like a generic "lost focus" window manager event - but I was actually surprised on the demo videos to see Bounce keep running even after the user had switched away from it to the dashboard. I would have expected it to realize that it no longer had focus and pause itself.
But it's actually a feature, not a bug, that the app can be running even when it is in the Dashboard. Pausing always everything that loses focus wouldn't also make sense.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by Nazrax
That may not always be the case.
I assume the answer is "yes" - something like a generic "lost focus" window manager event - but I was actually surprised on the demo videos to see Bounce keep running even after the user had switched away from it to the dashboard. I would have expected it to realize that it no longer had focus and pause itself.
A Youtube video playing in browser will also not pause when you switch away fro the browser to the dashboard.
If I recall, a video does show Youtube still playing in the dashboard view of the browser.
So such intelligence can not be built in unless its factored into the application itself and not always on an OS level.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by zkyevolved
Looks almost like I wrote this...we have a very similar user profile.
I send about 1 message (sms) per week. I really have no need. All my friends have push email or instant messaging on their phone. So I send hundreds of emails a day (or IMs) and make about 1 phone call a day. I'm very data intensive. I think the N900 will make a great "always on" companion!
But I would like to have some portrait pages (like calendar, messages and web browsing) as many times I'm walking and I just take a look at the phone to check to see if I have messages even though I have no interest in answering. Or I'm walking and I want to see where I have to go, or verify a time.
Other than that, as long as the phone part keeps a stable connection, and receives calls and SMS I'm happy
I don't really know if I do not have "true" Push emails, but I get my emails all the time on my very old N95, most times quicker than on my lap top.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender
This particular user is technically inclined, and hasn't used Nokia products for several years.
An average user (not a Nokia fan) found out about the N900.
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by zkyevolved
What if you and a buddy are playing an online multi-player shoot'm up game and he's calling so the two of you can collaborate by voice? If you pause, you're dead. Also, if the hardware and low-level software were done well, the phone call could have a very small performance impact if you were playing the game over WiFi.
Shouldn't that be the game that programs that in? Because I don't see ANY benefit of multitasking the game with the game still working. I imagine that if you pull up the task switcher the game will pause (or I hope).
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2009-09-22
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Originally Posted by ragnar
I guess this then highly depends on the country. For instance in Finland it's often vice versa: you can get a flat rate data deal, while the vast majority of deals have a per-message price for SMS/MMS (and MMS being higher in price). Which of course makes email/IM much more attractive than MMS usage.
I for instance have a flat rate 3g data for 10 euros per month.
SMS and MMS in general are liked by the operators because of their monetization opportunities: data becomes much more expensive when you turn that into 'MMS data'.
That's kind of what I'm getting at. Back in the day, when it first was available from my provider I thought it was a wondeful idea. Camera phones were just becoming popular and being able to "see what someonw else saw" would be a huge plus for me in my job...
...then reality set in. Some of the older phones in our system were not able to receive MMS and the camera's that were available on the ones that could were so low in resolution a voice or text discription of a problem was actualy more accurate. Even if a high res pictire could be transmitted, the service providor would sometimes only send a text with a link to their web server because the image was to large.
Anybody else that I would send an MMS message to outside of my network would usually bizatch at me for the $.25 (cents) they had to pay for recieving a dang message that they couldn't view.
Ironicaly one of the most frequent uses of my N8**'s are to cirmcumvent provider MMS systems. If someone wants to send me an image from a high quality camera phone, that phone (and the N900) has e-mail capabilities, so they send it to me that way. I use my device to read and view attachments to my e-mail while I'm in the field.
Any pictures that I take while in the field, I BT transfer to the N8**'s, then send them as e-mail attachments tethered to my phones GPRS connection.
As I said the decision to go this route was made some time ago so I asked the question to see if any of the variables had changed.
Good review btw mhammo. Welcome aboard.
Last edited by YoDude; 2009-09-22 at 14:26.