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CrashandDie is offline CrashandDie
2009-10-20 , 19:59
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#51
Originally Posted by r0eladn View Post
So what you are actually saying is that a No thanks would not work for you, instead you would like to see something like a "! delete this thread" button am i right?

the "no thanks" should'nt be interpreted as if you were given a cookie and so you could say no thanks. I believe the initial idea was to make an opposite of thanks.
I know that you believe you understand what you think he said, but I'm not sure you realise that what you read is not what he meant.
 

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#52
Originally Posted by r0eladn View Post
So what you are actually saying is that a No thanks would not work for you, instead you would like to see something like a "! delete this thread" button am i right?

the "no thanks" should'nt be interpreted as if you were given a cookie and so you could say no thanks. I believe the initial idea was to make an opposite of thanks.
And what I'm saying is people who post threads like this >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33125
that attract new users and give the impression that "thanks" is not earned are generally attention whores and will move on well before any appreciable karma is earned.
 
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2009-10-20 , 20:55
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#53
Originally Posted by CrashandDie View Post
I know that you believe you understand what you think he said, but I'm not sure you realise that what you read is not what he meant.
this is the part where i perish and feel dumb. right?
 
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2009-10-20 , 20:57
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#54
Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
And what I'm saying is people who post threads like this >> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33125
that attract new users and give the impression that "thanks" is not earned are generally attention whores and will move on well before any appreciable karma is earned.
in that case you wont be bothered long by me am i right?

seems everyone knows everything best around here, maybe i should put: "am i right?" in my signature.
could be another reason to stay longer. time is the nr1 thing that bonds people. at least well thats.. some creative oppinion i just came up with.. or should i ask.. am i right?


let's put the cr@p aside. i see it from both sides. (noobflood from last month(including me)/veterans (if u will))

i shouldn't be posting this but studying linux :P maybe the other n00bs should too. i vote (again) for n00bstickys
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#55
Originally Posted by r0eladn View Post
this is the part where i perish and feel dumb. right?
Ik vrees dat het dom zijn niet tijdelijk is, helaas.
 
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#56
Originally Posted by r0eladn View Post
seems everyone knows everything best around here, maybe i should put: "am i right?" in my signature.
could be another reason to stay longer. time is the nr1 thing that bonds people. at least well thats.. some creative oppinion i just came up with.. or should i ask.. am i right?
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#57
Originally Posted by livefreeordie View Post
There are no good points. Slashdot is the sole exception, because they have the scale and the right thread model. Few other sites do.
Not comparable...
  • The current and target user base and size of both communities are very different. T.m.o expects a change in user base, but not one which will make the user-base more like Slashdot wrt type of person.
  • Slashdot is a news weblog; t.m.o is a vBulletin-based forum. As said, goals of each platform very different, but even then comparing a forum with a weblog is moot. Maemo.org has its own news/weblog platform.
  • At Slashdot, regulars metamod the moderations of moderators, and every regular with karma gets 5 moderator shots every once in a while. Moderation is not available for every user, and a scarcity. Goal of both is quality moderations.
  • At t.m.o anyone can start a topic 'on the front page', and moderators moderate afterwards. Maemo.org has a democratic chosen Council.
  • Overal, the Slashdot +1 options are more available than -1 (referencing to description of moderation) whereas funny is not taken into account for karma.
  • The Slashdot moderator guidelines ask moderators to focus on the positive instead of the negative (mod up instead of mod down). It is mentioned for a reason, I assume based on past observation.
  • The Slashdot moderation system is not perfect, and there are various platforms which use Slashdot's system (Slashcode is open source), or a Slashdot-like system.
  • It is unclear whether moderation system was of direct influence to Slashdot success.

If Offtopic forum is not enough (which is not a proposition I judge on) what could be implemented is: +1 Funny aka +1 Thanks_but_offtopic which shows visibly as thanks but has no influence on users' karma. This allows a way of showing appreciation to someone while not contributing to their karma, and works against karma whoring while not showing its direct effect. It underlines the focus of Thanks being what its core intend is: a way to thank someone.

Otherwise, earlier moving thread to right forum is a solution. Might require more moderators.

Instead of focusing on TS' solution or Slashdot's solution which bring huge implications and testing with it lets focus easier solutions for (major part of) problem TS' describe: limiting the tensions, flamewars, and flamebaits and more important improving general quality of t.m.o. Although for that we have different thread like the user-friendliness of t.m.o thread.
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2009-10-20 , 22:05
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#58
Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
Well that is where moderation comes in Mil...

A Joke of the Day thread should be moved to a forum where "thanks" is not earned.
Neither should or would off topic joke posts be tolerated in productive threads for very long.
I admit that was an extreme example of mine, but why shouldn't the poster of a joke of the day earn some thanks from the community? The fact is we don't allow "Thanks" in the Off Topic forum precisely because we only have the one system that contributes towards Karma - perhaps if we had two systems, one which is weighted more significantly than the other, then we could thank people for interesting/amusing posts in all forums including Off Topic without any risk of skewing their overall Karma, the bulk of which should be earned from "useful" and on-topic posts.

Anyway, maybe one for Reggie to ponder!
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Or, just allow Thanks in Off Topic but don't include those in Karma calc.
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2009-10-30 , 20:53
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#60
I dislike the idea of "no thanks", but see this example of a post that was thanked:

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...3&postcount=74

What can a user who does not want this crap in this forum do?
There is "Report This" link, but reports of something which is not an obvious spam are apparently being ignored.
 
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