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2009-12-29
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Originally Posted by JayMontano
I strongly disagree with this, the worst thing nokia could do is appeal to bloggers/journalists/tech media. While some people do strongly adhere to such reviews many more well informed people do their own research and not to mention spread the word and or correct misinformation. I would much rather Nokia follow actually sales data and spending trends versus bloggers/journalists/tech media.
In essence, yes. Satisfy bloggers/journalists/tech media and gain a much broader mass market appeal.It's not just engadget, that was just an example at the top of my head because they're very anti Nokia (though at times, Nokia are indefensible e.g. state of S60V5)
Originally Posted by JayMontano
I ordered a e71 for my wife when I ordered a n900 for myself and ship date for the n900 constantly got pushed back and back. During this time I played with the e71 and found it to be extremely pleasing, some obvious short comings but very functional. And I'm very demanding on my devices, I soon realized for my phone needs the e71 would have been fine. If nokia can update Symbian to be a more modern OS while maintaining all of the functionality Symbian devices it changes the game considerably. As great as maemo is it would be better served in a smartphone OS line. I strongly think this http://www.viddler.com/explore/engad...eos/827/1.039/ is a hint at Nokia's 5th step.
I hope SF and Nokia will positively surprise us, otherwise, Maemo could be the only hope of Nokia and high end devices. If that's so, there needs to be more focus on what's right for mass market.
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2009-12-29
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@ Finland
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#53
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IMO the article wasn't realistic at all.
if someone wants those all, you could also add following points to the list:
-Needs to be much slimmer.
-Made mostly of metal -minimise the plastic
-Xenon Flash
-Solid, spring loaded slide
-Higher capacity battery
-Wide angle lens and improved low light sensor
-make the light go 500 000 km/h
-F=10*m*a
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2009-12-29
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#54
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Originally Posted by JayMontano
You have to remember a lot of smartphone users (half of smartphone users in fact) are used to Symbian S60. They have no problem using it, they have used it for years. Changing the UI, is not entirely a positive thing. Nevertheless, the UI is so outdated now that change simply has to be done.
In essence, yes. Satisfy bloggers/journalists/tech media and gain a much broader mass market appeal.It's not just engadget, that was just an example at the top of my head because they're very anti Nokia (though at times, Nokia are indefensible e.g. state of S60V5)
The tick-box concept (capacitive, tick!) is indeed, just to shut people up, overcome that Nokia prejudice, perhaps even build some excitement and hype and finally give the actual user experience of the whole device a try.
Android is in many ways made to satisfy bloggers. And what do we have? A nice OS that is ultimately boring and unsatisfactory, it has no soul, no heart. But the worst part is, Android is not helping manufactorers of devices make more money because it requires too costly hardware in a segment that is tiny and already saturated. Manufactorers making Android devices and HW based on bloggers, ultimately have nothing that will differentiate their devices from the competition. It is a dead end road.
Symbian is much more advanced as an OS than Linux ever will be. Symbian will give Nokia an edge because they can deliver the same experience on less expensive HW. Staying with Android instead of SF (or something homemade) for anyone except HTC/Google, will be a suicidal ride.
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2009-12-29
, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Slick
But it's not like if Nokia did make such a handset (impossible or utterly expensive as that maybe) it would create a bad handset and poor user experience which though pleases said media is no good for the consumers.
I strongly disagree with this, the worst thing nokia could do is appeal to bloggers/journalists/tech media. While some people do strongly adhere to such reviews many more well informed people do their own research and not to mention spread the word and or correct misinformation. I would much rather Nokia follow actually sales data and spending trends versus bloggers/journalists/tech media.
Nokia following sales trends is what they've been doing. That's great if you've got all the time in the world. But they've got other manufacturers producing kick *** phones that eat away at their market share.
Following sales means slowly reacting to see what the market wants based on their portfolio when other manufacturers have done it for them. (In the long run, I'm hoping that these relatively mediocre handsets on Symbian front line are just interim solutions and they'll vastly improve hardware when they've got the right OS to match it. Be that S^4 or Maemo6)
Whilst me or my particular post isn't the best example of "good advice from bloggers" bloggers/journalists [average joe news paper, tv show]/techmedia do for the most part pick up on trends and influence (either directly or from trickling down) average joe on its good points and shortcomings.
Then there's intrinsic good device characteristics and then there's hype/excitement (perpetrated via media or traditional advertising). The latter starts the cycle and the former combined with the latter perpetuates it.
Bloggers/journalist/techmedia degree of influence is debatable. In general, they're all pretty much not doing anything except reflecting and amplifying awareness of current trends. Perhaps at times with a slight foresight.
There are elements of bias, but then that's an essence of trends.
Thanks for the discussion guys! Having strayed away from forums, apart from Nokia meet ups, I rarely get the chance to talk tech. Haha. It just goes over the heads of my mates. "Meemo wha?".
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2009-12-29
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I agree it is a slower way to work but we have to remember Nokia has it's own vision here. Let's take for a example something like a no button capacitive screen configuration, this is something that should be weighted before adopted.
Would one be wise to change the whole line to a capacitive screen before considering the full effects of all markets potential or otherwise(asian) before commiting to such a gamble ?
Nokia is slowly and imo wisely putting out some capacitive devices, and that's all they need to do. I'm sorry but I see just a tiny bit of what you like in the iphone that you want to be transferred over to a Nokia handset, this would create problems with a large segment of the market that these changes would cater to, fans of the iphone.
I think your underestimating the zeal of some of apples fanbase, there would be many claiming Nokia is copying iphone. Sure you'd see some covert to a Nokia but it would mostly serve to fuel flames of vengeance. I'm telling you they are crazy I recently lost a friend because he is a apple fanboy.
I think that if Nokia sees something useful that will easily become a defacto standard they'd be best serve to integrate that into their vision all the while heeding to the feedback of the community it serves. And not react to every marketing buzz word that the media sensationalizes.
Last edited by Slick; 2009-12-29 at 12:10.
Would one be wise to change the whole line to a capacitive screen before considering the full effects of all markets potential or otherwise(asian) before commiting to such a gamble ?
Nokia is slowly and imo wisely putting out some capacitive devices, and that's all they need to do. I'm sorry but I see just a tiny bit of what you like in the iphone that you want to be transferred over to a Nokia handset, this would create problems with a large segment of the market that these changes would cater to, fans of the iphone.
I think your underestimating the zeal of some of apples fanbase, there would be many claiming Nokia is copying iphone. Sure you'd see some covert to a Nokia but it would mostly serve to fuel flames of vengeance. I'm telling you they are crazy I recently lost a friend because he is a apple fanboy.
I think that if Nokia sees something useful that will easily become a defacto standard they'd be best serve to integrate that into their vision all the while heeding to the feedback of the community it serves. And not react to every marketing buzz word that the media sensationalizes.
Last edited by Slick; 2009-12-29 at 12:10.
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2009-12-29
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Originally Posted by Big Phat Jan
I did not know that...
You can just hit func and then hit star. Func and shift are both "sticky" (ctrl is not).
Thanks for the info... 
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2009-12-29
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Originally Posted by JayMontano
You make a wrong assumption: that by satisfying bloggers you will gain mass market.
In essence, yes. Satisfy bloggers/journalists/tech media and gain a much broader mass market appeal.
You gain mass market by offering attractive prices and features (bang for your buck) and Nokia is already there with Symbian.
That became crystal clear in Nokia World when they showed that the combined sales of the 5800XM and N97 where 10 million and growing.
Maemo is not targetting either the iMasses (or at least, not completely), they are trying to carve their own niche.
If that's so, there needs to be more focus on what's right for mass market.
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2009-12-29
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@ Finland Vasa
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Strongly disagree about capacitive screen. Don't want it. Surfing is now so easy. I usually never zoom just use the stylus to go in some of the small links.
Xenon flash, NEVER. I use the leds as a flash-light daily.
Totaly flat screen no thanks, prevents from scratches. Metal no thanks, prefer plastic. Not so ****ing cold in the winter.
Increased MP on camera, no thanks, focus on the optic instead.
I have to say I disagree about almost everything on your list.
One thing on the other hand that would be nice is a D-pad or joystick.
Xenon flash, NEVER. I use the leds as a flash-light daily.
Totaly flat screen no thanks, prevents from scratches. Metal no thanks, prefer plastic. Not so ****ing cold in the winter.
Increased MP on camera, no thanks, focus on the optic instead.
I have to say I disagree about almost everything on your list.
One thing on the other hand that would be nice is a D-pad or joystick.
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The tick-box concept (capacitive, tick!) is indeed, just to shut people up, overcome that Nokia prejudice, perhaps even build some excitement and hype and finally give the actual user experience of the whole device a try.
I appreciate that there are many here who would just like Nokia to make Maemo device for their own use. That's totally fine.
For me, I'm a complete Nokia "geek/fanboy" and want to see Nokia producing devices that set new standards and have high desirability and mass appeal.
I'm putting my attention to this MaemoPhone right now as I don't really see what's going to be happening with Symbian^4. All SF's current info is very vague.
I hope SF and Nokia will positively surprise us, otherwise, Maemo could be the only hope of Nokia and high end devices. If that's so, there needs to be more focus on what's right for mass market.