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Originally Posted by craftyguy
If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by dhcmega
And I totally agree with you.
If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by dhcmega
Fair enough, but your negative comments were either incorrect, or lacking merrit. To say that the device has "no method" of performing a task, or "is completely missing a given functionality", when there are viable solutions, is misleading.
Ok, Taken. I tried, that is why said good things as camera, etc.
Eventhough there are workarounds, I donīt think that is the real solution.
SWAP memory is very slow memory compared to RAM.
As far as "SWAP memory being slow", what are the "real world" issues experienced with "slowness"? Compared to what phone is the 900 "slow", in daily use? What other "smartphone" can run upwards of 30 apps at once? How many other phones best the 900 in speed and performance with various tasks?
Again, if you're saying:
Originally Posted by dhcmega
...then try not to skew the results when doing so. Try to be more thourough in your analysis.
For those how wonder why a cry here instead of the church, it is because other people like me, could read the other side of the story and no only those happy reviews. .
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by dhcmega
Well.. to be fair - the only two (three?) complaints I saw of yours that could be considered "poorly implemented" is you don't like the way SMS works (some people do, this is personal preference), You don't find an easy way to navigate contacts (which, with keyboard I think you can just start typing, without I think there is shortcuts... but you obviously don't like these methods which again, is personal preference and you have that right, and you even say "IMO"), and a lagging screen when rotating.
If "not a phone! it's a tablet that happens to support some phone features", then those "phone features" are poorly implemented. Again IMO.
Everything else you mentioned are features that were not added, and are covered under the fact that "some phone features" does not mean all phone features were added. For example:
MMS, USSD, Favorites, APN's, separate ring-tones per contact.. etc.
Those features were simply not added.. and thus cannot be said to be "poorly" implemented. That is why people argue that to look at the N900 as a "phone" is prone to failure because it does not come with what has become the "norm" for "smart phones".
The N900 does many things the iPhone and Android do not do... and the iPhone and Android do things the N900 does not. The latter are mostly phone features, and apps. The former are mostly more PC related functionality.
Thus, to look at this as a Linux device that makes phone calls will get you more accurate than looking at this as a Phone that runs Linux. Both are technically accurate, but the latter implies certain things to most people that the former would not - and creates a lot of the complaints we see around here.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Missing USSD support being a HUGE oversight by the largest PHONE manufacturer in the world...
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MMS, USSD, Favorites, APN's, separate ring-tones per contact.. etc.
My cell phone from 2001 (yes, 9 years ago) supports USSD "out of the box". It's a 'feature' you EXPECT from any phone in the market these days, and Nokia gave NO indication that support for it was missing in their marketing campaign (again, assuming that the majority of N900 customers do NOT frequent these developer-oriented forums..)
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by craftyguy
Something completely lacking still does not mean it was poorly implemented. It simply wasn't implemented.
Missing USSD support being a HUGE oversight by the largest PHONE manufacturer in the world...
My cell phone from 2001 (yes, 9 years ago) supports USSD "out of the box". It's a 'feature' you EXPECT from any phone in the market these days, and Nokia gave NO indication that support for it was missing in their marketing campaign (again, assuming that the majority of N900 customers do NOT frequent these developer-oriented forums..)
I have no idea what USSD is and have never used it.. granted I can google and just learned but still - no need for it.
So.. while I can understand people were surprised that something was missing.. doesn't mean it was poorly implemented or even promised anywhere by Nokia that it *was* there. You made an assumption about it.. granted: A rightful assumption, since even Wikipedia seems to think Unstructured Supplementary Service Data is a capability of all GSM phones. .. but the fact remains: No where does it say that the N900 *does* support it.. and it's completely lacking - not "poorly" implemented.
And as far as this being a developer forum... I doubt that. I am pretty sure at this point we have more "users" than "developers" on this forum right now..
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by colnago
Fair enough, but your negative comments were either incorrect, or lacking merrit. To say that the device has "no method" of performing a task, or "is completely missing a given functionality", when there are viable solutions, is misleading.
As far as "SWAP memory being slow", what are the "real world" issues experienced with "slowness"? Compared to what phone is the 900 "slow", in daily use? What other "smartphone" can run upwards of 30 apps at once? How many other phones best the 900 in speed and performance with various tasks?
Again, if you're saying:
...then try not to skew the results when doing so. Try to be more thourough in your analysis.
Ok ok, I accept it was a little pushed by emotions.
I know that many of the missing features are covered with apps in extras and devel (which I of course, have instaled, eventhough not all of them are optified)
I have also said that the fact that depend on good coders will is not a real solution. I think that Nokia should and must provide all the apps needed. At the release moment or later at least.
I donīt recall to see other smartphone doing 30 apps at the same time. But we agreed that the N900 is not a smartphone but a portable computer or internet table.
But I have seen a few times an uptime claiming 7 or more load average.
Regardless of my disappoint in many aspects I am truly happy with an open source phone being released.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by dhcmega
I'm a little confused by this... "Google" does not 'provide' all of the apps in the Android Market... third party developers and coders do it..
I have also said that the fact that depend on good coders will is not a real solution. I think that Nokia should and must provide all the apps needed. At the release moment or later at least.
And very few people I would imagine don't install at least something from the App market to increase the functionality of their phone?
So what exactly is the cut and dry line between what Google and Nokia should provide.. and what it's ok for Non-Google or Non-Nokia developers to provide?
I mean.. if the functionality is obtainable from somewhere... then the "phone" can do it...
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Apple: Had an iphone when it first released not much avalible...it wasnt until the second version of the phone until we could add things and major bugs worked out. This is normal.
Android: I dont remember many apps coming out until atleast six months into the platforms launch but still after a couple updates and a little time Android became stable enough to compete with other mobile phone operating systems. Then once the platform started rolling google introduced many first party apps other than the included gmail, maps, and browser.
Maemo: Many like to argue that there are many apps that can be ported over to the n900 which in my opinion still takes time but given the fact that previous operating systems have taken months to introduce apps and Maemo 5 still quite new it wont be long before we start seeing a boost in apps and bug fixes especiallu when some simply require expert optimizations.
Why so greedy? and who said that?: Many people speculate things simply because Nokia doesnt directly tell us thier plans. Not to point out any particulars but how many times have we heard someone say, "well it doesnt support this"...yeah at the moment...is it impossible? Not at all...matter fact this is the last phone I would say an app or well written code couldnt do...just being honest. Anything this phone is incapable of doing quite obvious before purchase(ex. At&t 3g). Other than that if you made it to these forums to complain....you should have made it to these forums before you ordered or bought the phone.
!!!! One first party update last month: This is what gets me the most. This phone has only been updated once...many of us couldnt get our hands on the phone till around December of you had it longer great. If you really want to decide on the n900 i suggest we give the phone atleast 2 updates from Nokia.
Android: I dont remember many apps coming out until atleast six months into the platforms launch but still after a couple updates and a little time Android became stable enough to compete with other mobile phone operating systems. Then once the platform started rolling google introduced many first party apps other than the included gmail, maps, and browser.
Maemo: Many like to argue that there are many apps that can be ported over to the n900 which in my opinion still takes time but given the fact that previous operating systems have taken months to introduce apps and Maemo 5 still quite new it wont be long before we start seeing a boost in apps and bug fixes especiallu when some simply require expert optimizations.
Why so greedy? and who said that?: Many people speculate things simply because Nokia doesnt directly tell us thier plans. Not to point out any particulars but how many times have we heard someone say, "well it doesnt support this"...yeah at the moment...is it impossible? Not at all...matter fact this is the last phone I would say an app or well written code couldnt do...just being honest. Anything this phone is incapable of doing quite obvious before purchase(ex. At&t 3g). Other than that if you made it to these forums to complain....you should have made it to these forums before you ordered or bought the phone.
!!!! One first party update last month: This is what gets me the most. This phone has only been updated once...many of us couldnt get our hands on the phone till around December of you had it longer great. If you really want to decide on the n900 i suggest we give the phone atleast 2 updates from Nokia.
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2010-02-12
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Originally Posted by fatalsaint
Something completely lacking still does not mean it was poorly implemented. It simply wasn't implemented.
I have no idea what USSD is and have never used it.. granted I can google and just learned but still - no need for it.
So.. while I can understand people were surprised that something was missing.. doesn't mean it was poorly implemented or even promised anywhere by Nokia that it *was* there. You made an assumption about it.. granted: A rightful assumption, since even Wikipedia seems to think Unstructured Supplementary Service Data is a capability of all GSM phones. .. but the fact remains: No where does it say that the N900 *does* support it.. and it's completely lacking - not "poorly" implemented.
And as far as this being a developer forum... I doubt that. I am pretty sure at this point we have more "users" than "developers" on this forum right now..
Yes, I have assumed that this device will cover my cell phone needs, as the N95 mostly did.
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