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Originally Posted by waleed786 View Post
I agree though that it is an important feature in a phone. I guess nobody realized it was missing at the time you bought your n900. But at least now future N900 buyers can come across this thread and not make the same mistake you did. And hopefully ill come out in the next update (March i think)
I actually appreciate this thread. I didn't even know that GSM phones had these menus.. and I can absolutely understand why he might be peeved by this issue. If I were to buy this PHONE (ala http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...nes/nokia-n900) under similar circumstances, I'd be angry too.

Anyway, the point is--I didn't even know this was an issue.

Originally Posted by mukks View Post
wht few guys needed was a cell phone. not a modern day MID. they accidently bought this device without doing any research.

i only seen n900 as a mobile device with an additional feature to make n recieve calls..thats a phone function, u should have checkd wht n700 and n800 was before jumping straight to n900..
You may be right but going to the 'you didn't research it' trough is becoming akin to repeatedly telling people Nokia didn't want customers to buy this product.

That's cold comfort to someone that bought this as a smart phone. More importantly, if Nokia is trying to turn this around as a cell phone, there really needs to be more development in the cell phone client software. Maybe this device should have been sold to the development/testing/geek crowd for a little baking before it was marketed as a cell phone. (What happened to it being a computer first? That ad REALLY rubs me the wrong way, now.) The theater of providing them ONLY to attendees who physically made the trek to the show is clearly now demonstrating itself as a poor example of a release to developers and testers.

Here's the prescient question to ask: Is there anybody in the community that understands what needs to happen to implement this and do they have the time and resources to do so.. and will Nokia roll that improvement to the phone client out ahead of any OS upgrades so that the phone might actually be useful to customers in his situation?
 

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On the other hand, this old point will always have merit: check the product out extensively before shelling out a large amount of money.
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lol illegal advertising

it can be considered a phone. but its more of a tablet thats how i see it

they probably advertise it as a phone so they can get it out to consumers. i dont think consumers search for a tablet too much unless they looking for the itablet
 
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Originally Posted by wmarone View Post
Your cheap Sony phone is probably running an extremely closed RTOS and has few functions aside from what's available in the UI as it stands. I've had mine stutter occasionally (mostly during high CPU usage) but by and large, I'll tolerate that in exchange for capability that would otherwise be completely unavailable to me.
oh make no mistake, the n900 is the best gadget I've ever had. I would pay double the price for it because there is nothing like it. I know of its potential and hope Nokia will invest more in fixing it. Ignore the occassional whine, just frustration and emotions - u know. A million stutters will not keep me from this treasure.
 
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it has phone capabilities? yes,so its ALSO a phone.
 
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Originally Posted by ARJWright View Post
The answer won't please you, but its being addressed by Nokia with Maemo 6 and the ofono stack.
And by the way, someone has managed to get ofono working on their N900. I don't know how much functionality that gives you.
 
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Originally Posted by jjx View Post
And by the way, someone has managed to get ofono working on their N900. I don't know how much functionality that gives you.
That probably helps Mer more. I'd love to see Mer reach a point where I can apt-get a package and have it support all the phone capabilities.
 

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Originally Posted by RogerTHAcctant View Post
lol illegal advertising

it can be considered a phone. but its more of a tablet thats how i see it

they probably advertise it as a phone so they can get it out to consumers. i dont think consumers search for a tablet too much unless they looking for the itablet
I also suspect that consumers searching for a phone have a lot of expectations of what a smart phone should be able to do, without digging through forums.
 

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Originally Posted by soeiro View Post
I didn't know any GSM phone that didn't use this extension. the first, for me, is the N900.
That 's what you get for living on the cutting edge!
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Originally Posted by jjx View Post
And by the way, someone has managed to get ofono working on their N900. I don't know how much functionality that gives you.
It gives you almost nothing now; the meat of my comment was/is missed.

Maemo 6 adds the element for carriers to customize parts of the OS for their carrier deck.

Ofono allows Intel, Nokia, and carrier partners so standardize on elements like a SIM menu, SIM services, etc., along with fixing the rest of the phone stack - instead of what was hacked together for the N900 which was announced initially to only do celluar data but a loud group of open source fans happened to change Nokia's mind towards such an effort. The effort given gave base voice functionality but was never intended to replace one's mobile - hence Nokia's advertising of the N900 as a mobile computer. The framework to do common features from the SIM just couldn't be built in time.

The Ofono partnership would be realized in about a year's time with Maemo 6 and the next version of Moblin. Hence why its not much of anything now, and why thinking of the Maemo 5 platform for more than what it is shows little insight towards the platform as its been released.

The expectation to have the SIM menu and SIM services is ok, but this isn't just a Nokia issue, its also a carrier one. And since you purchased a device that may not be on your carrier deck, and your carrier sells you a SIM that does not contain such applications on it, you are essentially walking into misplaced expectations.

The OP isn't wrong for feeling the way they are; and to some extent needs to get some push-back. But the solution is not as simple as "add Java and my menus back." Such statements are disrespectful to Nokia, who has not only been listening to the complaints, but where possible has spoken up to address them.

Its easy to complain about what's not there, but much harder to appreciate the effort that went into what is.

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