Originally Posted by jnwi

This, along with "if you don't like it, buy an iPhone" is repeated here often. But the fact is we should all care - a lot.

Market share will directly impact future third party services that may not otherwise be available to us, scale will enable Nokia to polish the devices we want to buy, and profitability is the only thing that can convince Nokia to continue on this path.

The often dismissive attitude towards Symbian is also dangerous. MeeGo is still very much dependent on Symbian's market share to drive application development with Qt, and we should be extremely grateful that a proper Linux distro has this asset behind it. There's no other way it will ever break into the mass market.

And now that Symbian is free software too, surely we should stand behind both of them, and hope Nokia retakes every last bit of ground it has lost.

Originally Posted by gom4381

Semantics. 20-7=13? Lost, dropped, removed, whatever. It is still the same. Why argue on a point like that?

Originally Posted by christexaport

OPK will not be fired because everything is going exactly as he announced in 2007, when he said Nokia would indeed concede share for awhile and remain mostly flat for most of that coming future while focusing on services.

...disinformation is the weapon of mass destruction...

Originally Posted by ysss

I don't like netbooks because they're slow and you need a table to use them properly. Especially in airplanes. Slate form factor is easier to carry, lighter and they manage well most places; You can put them where magazines can go.

Granted I can't do all of my sys admin stuffs, because iPad aren't jailbroken yet (yea yea), but right now I got ssh, rdp and vnc on it already to do 90% of what I need. If I need to do plenty of text entry/commands, I just prop the slate up on the table and flip open my bluetooth keyboard (stowaway full sized foldable keyboard).

I'm not saying it's superior in all cases to netbook, but it's a very versatile form factor. And the amount of functionalities they crammed in it (digital compass, accelerometer, great doc manipulation, etc) means it can go places where netbooks don't.

imho this is a form factor to watch.

Originally Posted by bugelrex

Where was the part where his plan involved dropping the value of the company 50% from 2007 valuation bringing it back to 1998 valuation levels?

If you owned a company and the manager just wiped out your entire wealth for 12 years while the competition is growing (i.e its not the market, its the PRODUCT) you wouldn't fire him?

c'mon.....

Originally Posted by egoshin

There are multiple netbook products and depending from what you want. Basically there is nothing in netbook idea which prevents them to pickup iPad market. The only essential differences between netbooks and iPad for now are a keyboard and a slimness/weight. But that depends - Sony (expensive) is pretty slim.

I don't speak about this stuff - iPad and any touchpad devices are not very good in this anywhere - KBD is absent and thats it. And BT KBD doesn't solve a problem - it is a second device and although it can be used, that solution is not good if there is netbook.

Yes, form factor takes place, and it the reason why i spoke about bedtime. But if we exclude a consumption of prepared content (read - look video, read books) then it doesn't win at all in any situation. And if we speak about airplane then looking video is not the best for it, actually device with N900 form factor is better in it's crammed space. (I am not sure about reading - it may be better to have a bigger screen for many people but Kindles are best here)