So that people don't get the wrong impression, let's also point out that the community SSU for the N8x0's has been hampered by the refusal to open closed components

Components kept closed

Don't shoot the messenger though. My role in the licensing change requests is to prioritize so it can be put into the internal machinery by a Nokia employee. That it seems to be a black hole to some is not my fault. No matter how much I kick and scream, there's going to be someone putting a thumbs up or down internally. And sometimes this can take ages. I'm frustrated by it too.

What I -do- know is that there's actively going work into open sourcing bits for MeeGo on N900. Including the phone stack. Limiting the blobs eases everyone's work.

Frankly, I'm tired of talk.maemo.org turning into a cesspool of negativity. I want to -do things-, not spend days on end arguing about things I can't change or should be defending choices made by Nokia. I'm not your punching bag for Nokia's faults.

Instead of punching me, how about you (not you qwerty12 specifically) tell me what I realistically can do to help you move things ahead?

Regarding that one request, I have bumped it recently to regain attention to the merge request. It's all there and waiting - but I can't do licensing changes legally. Not my job or my right to do.

That URL doesn't give me any information on specific components you want relicensing, just meta discussion outside the queue.

Adding some extra comments as qwerty12 is a guy I respect very much.

Agreed. This is one of the big problems in Maemo and has always been a problem. It is harder to open source than to push something out closed source. I'm not sure if their stance is changing regarding MeeGo, but in order to help things along, I hope they do.

And that there's some /dev/null's or processes that haven't worked. I -personally- don't like Brainstorm as it was originally slow (thanks to new servers, this is less bad), but it was utterly incomprehensible in terms of getting any sane input for things. And as with any process, since we as a community don't own the Maemo product, someone has to approve and make it happen internally. And it's not easy making things happen or turn around the ship. I've pointed this out before - that we aren't in charge of the ship.

This is really the problem. We have to fight from 43% open source.

My -professional- hope is that we'll have to work with a 100% open source platform, open reference apps, some but limited hardware adaptation blobs and some 'vendor specific' apps. The hill is less steep to push the stone of open sourcing up of in MeeGo. At least with MeeGo, it should be possible to see how the product is made so people get an understanding of the processes.

You know me well enough to know that I think some of the things are utter WTF's of why they're closed source. libcityinfo comes to mind. At least I've tried to help set up a process so we can solve these things sanely. I haven't set it up to be a /dev/null.

bump.. I hate to see a post about iphone 4 get 200+ posts while more important discussions like this fall by the wayside. So realistically, how much improvement would we see in Meego? Would smaller fixes be pushed out more frequently or would it be more of the same?

It just kills me when there are clear issues and people with the willingness and knowledge to fix them but they can't due to bureaucratic hurdles (this applies to everything, not just software).

geez, yeah that is sad. I guess this topic can't accomplish much, if some management at Nokia hasn't realized the mistake by now. What they need is some bad press or something that will lead to embarrassment and then perhaps a change of policy. Maybe if we get about 10k signatures we can get some press coverage? We should write a petition app and put it in the repository, lol.

I do hope they open the components up, at least the drivers -_-

Should change this petition to "Should nokia bring Flash 10 to n900"...

Hell...we should spam nokia with a **** load of petitions to make em understand all the **** they have been doing....

yes, how we can continue with this, we need to put more pressure to nokia to give us the driver what more we can do to continue with this!!!

it's useless, wouldn't work. if they would care they would support or at least answer questions.