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Originally Posted by mikec
a billion symbian^2/3 phones on the market? where?
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare
What gets me is you bounce wildly between wide, sweeping attacks on open source as a whole, then narrowing down to Nokia's mishandling and poor communication when it suits you. Then you suggest that open source is wholly not viable, despite the widespread evidence that this is not true.
firstly I was asked to define what I meant by finished product; gg chief.
second. All of google's good products are proprietary. Chrome (not to be confused with chromium), Android, et al. all have proprietary components. We can't sit here on a forum for an operating system for mobile devices and pontificate about how open we are, when there is simply no open source phone/tablet (try reading the title of the thread next time.) that has all of said features and advantages and benefits of competing products.
Try reading up on what's going on before posting a kneejerk reaction.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by mikec
To be fair it didn't use to be open sourced. Nokia only open sourced it a couple years ago.
when I last looked there are nearly a billion nokia phones running an open source os. Its called symbian.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by wmarone
This is a forums dedicated to an operating system that runs on a Nokia phone. I'm sorry if this offends you. But it is a problem that has implications elsewhere in the opensource community, so I bring that up too.
What gets me is you bounce wildly between wide, sweeping attacks on open source as a whole, then narrowing down to Nokia's mishandling and poor communication when it suits you. Then you suggest that open source is wholly not viable, despite the widespread evidence that this is not true.
Don't get me wrong. When I need an operating system to back up some files from my Windows machine I'll go straight to linux (unless I get an ms home server license with my MSDN sub sometime since it's pretty much plug and play.)
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by wmarone
Actually no, I see those who try to fight against the current human society and its progress as the enemy.
Oh right, so you're playing the die-hard capitalist who sees freedom as the enemy.
Originally Posted by wmarone
Well, what's your excuse? I at least know Stockholm syndrome when I see it
Which qualifies you to comment on the workings of an industry that is largely opaque to you.
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The solution is to stop *****ing and get a job
Well that's a problem everyone faces, no?
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And you aren't? Please, I hear enough of this garbage from the pinguin club.
Except no one's doing that. You're stuffing words in other people's mouths.
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The entire gaming industry, for one.
Yes it is. You're saying "open source is crap" and I want you to point out why, and how closed source software is better.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada
So you see the RIAA, MPAA, and those who keep pushing to extend copyright law and cripple internet communications as the enemy... right?
Actually no, I see those who try to fight against the current human society and its progress as the enemy.
And your suggestion that open source software is a fight against progress is quite hilarious.
Well, what's your excuse? I know Stockholm syndrome when I see it
The solution is to stop *****ing and get a job
The entire gaming industry, for one.
Also, I don't have any opposition to closed source software, I run Windows on my desktop and have a Steam install tracking well over 20 games.
I'm sorry, what was your point again? I mean, other than ignorantly bashing people whose processes and motives you fail utterly to understand?
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2010-06-08
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How about android and apple phones that do everything that one would expect a phone to do, while an "open source" (I use the term lightly because it's not really) phone doesn't.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by ZShakespeare
No, you were given an example that you asked for, and then changed the terms because you didn't want to admit you were wrong.
firstly I was asked to define what I meant by finished product;
Originally Posted by ZShakespeare
Yes, there are proprietary components to every bit of hardware. Tell me, do you have the complete source for your BIOS? How about the source for the firmware your CD reader uses to read CDs? Even in open source systems not everything is open. If the API is established and documented enough, it doesn't have to be open to be functional.
second. All of google's good products are proprietary. Chrome (not to be confused with chromium), Android, et al. all have proprietary components.
I note you didn't say anything about FireFox? An example of a very stable and reputable OpenSource system... Doesn't that qualify for your definition of a "finished product"? If not, then please tell me how it does while something like IE/Windows is different.
Originally Posted by ZShakespeare
It was hardly kneejerk, and I did read the thread. In fact, I was debating if I should even chime in, since clearly you've set yourself up for failure here (with your "one example" bit), and will never admit that you were wrong.
Try reading up on what's going on before posting a kneejerk reaction.
As for the post from the OP, asking what has this open source brought us: Lots.
The internet would not be what it is today without OpenSource. Apache, Mosaic, Mozilla, FireFox, POP servers/clients. Everything the modern person perceives as "the web" is based on OpenSource programs. Even the now closed proprietary systems (like IIS, Exchange, and the like) are modeled around emulating the protocols and functionality started by OpenSource programs.
What has the linux phone/tablet market brought to us? Quite a bit, though it may not be completely obvious to you quite yet. It wasn't obvious in 1992 how a Finnish kid and a little group of friends working on a mini-Unix kernel would change anything either. Nor was it obvious in 1993 that Mosaic and Apache were about to change the face of the internet. This is just the start... But I can tell you as someone that's participated in such things in the past, you can never be sure which thing turns into a rocket and which sputters out.
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2010-06-08
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Originally Posted by PradaBrada
It looks to me like you've learned some small bit of psychobabble and you want to apply it to everything. You would have to write a thesis to support your wild comparison and I doubt it would be read or approved.
Actually no, I see those who try to fight against the current human society and its progress as the enemy.
Well, what's your excuse? I at least know Stockholm syndrome when I see it
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man
My apologies its only 330 million devices, with another 100 million in 2010, all running open sourced symbian irrespective of how it got there. I beleive Google just open sourced a certain video codec, and Qt was open sourced from more restrictive roots. There must be something to this open sourcing "crap".
To be fair it didn't use to be open sourced. Nokia only open sourced it a couple years ago.
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