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richwhite	2010-10-20 , 09:51
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Originally Posted by danramos

Noooooo, most of what you're attributing to Apple was actually thanks to Xerox PARC.

i didn't say he invented those things, i'm well aware he didn't, but they were the company to make them mainstream. Like the iPhone, nothing there was new, in fact it omitted some basic, desired functionality (still does), but it was still the device to make those things widely purchased

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	danramos	2010-10-20 , 09:57
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Originally Posted by richwhite

i didn't say he invented those things, i'm well aware he didn't, but they were the company to make them mainstream. Like the iPhone, nothing there was new, in fact it omitted some basic, desired functionality (still does), but it was still the device to make those things widely purchased

Much the way you can attribute Microsoft as the company to make computers, in general, mainstream. A tad more fundamental credibility creds there to Microsoft, going by your reasoning, no? Nonetheless, I understand your point--Apple did generally get credit for popularizing computers for the rehabilitating technophobic and the logically impaired.

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	H3llb0und	2010-10-20 , 10:00
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The only thing I admire about Steve Jobs is that he manages to sell any random lie that pops in his head to apple's shareholders, the press and most of the world.

What really gets me angry is when people just assume that he or Apple invented something, when just a little google search shows that they did not.

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	ysss	2010-10-20 , 10:08
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Originally Posted by ericsson

Of cource it is. But it is only part of the reality. MeeGo is both, fully open and fully closed at the same time.

How schrodinger of you.

When MeeGo starts rolling, it will shake up the industry so bad that Microsoft, Google and Apple will cry for mummy.

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Your level of optimism is rather amazing.

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Rauha	2010-10-20 , 10:10
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RIM seems to have made a reply to Steve.

If you know email address for RIM's CEO, please send this picture to him:

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	ysss	2010-10-20 , 10:13
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Originally Posted by richwhite

i didn't say he invented those things, i'm well aware he didn't, but they were the company to make them mainstream. Like the iPhone, nothing there was new, in fact it omitted some basic, desired functionality (still does), but it was still the device to make those things widely purchased

What he did was identify just a handful of key sellable features that he can commit his limited resources on (design, code, produce, etc) and omit/delay/underrate the rest of the features... until they are ready to deliver those (missing features).

If he didn't go through that pattern, Apple couldn't have taken a market\mindshare lead just as they did with the iPhone.

@maxximused: please don't use past-tense on everything. english is your country's main language is it not?

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vivmak	2010-10-20 , 10:14
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Originally Posted by maxximuscool

Just found this today. Steve Jobs ranting about Android. PopCorn anyone?

I can smelled WAR on the way between Apple and Google+ fellow Allies

Steve didn't say anything about MeeGO lol.

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve...e-rant-2010-10

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-d...lets-40090577/

Enjoy!

I think that he doesnt think that Nokia is even a competition to it and its products.... but I agree with him on the fact that on Apple apps can be integrated, commiing look and feel and ease of use whereas with open one is allowed to write what is usefull to them but is all over the place. Everyone can write what they think is best for them for a similar need.

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richwhite	2010-10-20 , 10:16
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Originally Posted by danramos

Much the way you can attribute Microsoft as the company to make computers, in general, mainstream. A tad more fundamental credibility creds there to Microsoft, going by your reasoning, no? Nonetheless, I understand your point--Apple did generally get credit for popularizing computers for the rehabilitating technophobic and the logically impaired.

Well it wasn't Microsoft to roll out the GUI was it? In fact i'm pretty sure Gates even said it would never catch on. Apple may not have invented it, but they did popularise it, and honestly, isn't that a good thing?

I see no problem with things being simple, really why should a computer be any different than a tv or a car, which you expect to just work as you want it to i.e. show images and move without breaking down. The simplification of technology has helped more people embrace it, because most people aren't developers or techno-whizzes, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Now, I'm not suggesting that all technology should be locked down, design over function or anything like that, i hate the iPhone, i like the option to tinker like i have on the N900. But that's the thing - i like the option of being able to tinker, not absolutely having to just to get something to work, and I think that's true of most technology users. The GUI and mouse 'simplified' things, but who would argue they were detrimental?

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	Capt'n Corrupt	2010-10-20 , 11:40
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I think that tech-disdain is mainly caused by oversimplification and characterization of companies, software, devices, etc. For example, we often put Apple under one umbrella that colors our opinion of Apple and something that Steve Jobs says modifies that. Or take MeeGo which we associate with 'open' and 'nokia' but perhaps little else. These are vague examples, but designed to illustrate absolute thinking at its finest manifesting itself as rife tribalism.

If only we considered that all of these companies, devices, software ideologies, etc, have a very rich tapestry sub characteristics, we would stop the f***king infighting and get back to developing, producing, and enjoying. Can you imagine the type of productivity drain that's caused by discussing the inane minutia of 'what Steve said?' I'm sure it could be measured on a national scale in real dollars.

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Cue	2010-10-20 , 17:46
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Originally Posted by ysss

I don't think that being closed directly makes 'things just work', but limiting variables certainly does.

At the very least, it generally make the components to get to the 'things just work' level much quicker than not.

exactly, when you limit freedom you often establish a de facto standard which makes things easier both for the user and the developer but as you probably know de facto standards often slow down progress in the long term. To me Linux evolves very fast and is often cutting edge but it can be a PITA when things that worked perfectly in the past are broken when things change.

Last edited by Cue; 2010-10-20 at 17:51.