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2012-03-12
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Don't bet on Nokia. They had their chance with Meego, and they blew it. Will they come back supporting some open mobile distros? Not now, while MS has strong control over their direction. In the future, who knows.
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2012-03-12
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Originally Posted by Dave999
If WP faills I guess there will be a B-series from Nokia and they run on R (B = boots, R = rubber).
Guys, I love to see your faces when nokia will announce the next N— device next year. It won't be a n in the product name, It won't run Windows or Symbian and It will be geeky.
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2012-03-12
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MeeGo-Harmattan is still MeeGo.
Sure it shares many elements with MeeGo proper, but anyone who's played with MeeGoCE (now MeR/Nemo etc) knows they're very diff.
Everyone was more than happy to call it that last summer.
Indeed, there were a number of people declaring MeeGo to be the future, and Maemo to be the past.
They were led to the MeeGo paradise by the Pied Piper of MeeGo, Quim Gil.
That was pretty much killed-off by subsequent actions & statements by Elop & other senior personnel.
Now that MeeGo is an embarrassment, those same people would prefer to rebrand MeeGo-Harmattan as Maemo6.
Standard human behaviour.
There was to be at least two primarily Maemo phones before the switch to MeeGo proper.
Which would've occurred about the time of the 1st x86 phone, which would've been roughly June/July.
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2012-03-12
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Originally Posted by jalyst
I'm not making anything up. I'm stating it as it is. Everyone knows what has gone on. You can't piss up people's backs and tell them it's raining. It's not a technical argument, and your latter remarks only emphasise that point. Some people want to call it Maemo because it is now expedient to do so. This includes some Nokia employees, who will need somewhere to host all the stuff that is currently at meego.com (see IRC logs of the last Maemo Council meeting).
Srsly Marxian, you of all people know it most definitely isn't MeeGo, why make-up stuff?
Sure it shares many elements with MeeGo proper, but anyone who's played with MeeGoCE (now MeR/Nemo etc) knows they're very diff.
Yeah, that's when people still thought MeeGo proper had a future, or at least some slim chance.
That was pretty much killed-off by subsequent actions & statements by Elop & other senior personnel.
No those people are referring to it as Maemo6x because MeeGo proper never really got off the ground.
There was to be at least two primarily Maemo phones before the switch to MeeGo proper.
Which would've occurred about the time of the 1st x86 phone, which would've been roughly June/July.
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2012-03-12
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I think the argument of what MeeGo was (marketed versus actual) and what Maemo was as well as what Harmattan currently is and is not, does not apply really because ultimately, they've all been either closed up (Harmattan sources closed, invariably moving to WP7 in terms of UI), MeeGo is no longer supported by Intel and Maemo is no longer supported by Nokia.
The only thing more dead is perhaps hope or the dodo bird.
The only thing more dead is perhaps hope or the dodo bird.
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2012-03-12
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Yeah, no point to argue really. Just call Harmattan - Harmttan. But both Meego and Harmattan aren't the future - they are victims of corporate politics and too much dependency on non trustworthy backers. The only things that will move on are Mer and Tizen (with Tizen having the same potential risks and lack of trust as Maemo, Meego, Harmattan and co). Choose yourself.
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2012-03-12
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Originally Posted by shmerl
Tizen is a bit of a mystery actually. If all they have to show is this, then it definitely is the new meego proper. http://www.sammobile.com/2012/03/11/...hows-up-video/
Yeah, no point to argue really. Just call Harmattan - Harmttan. But both Meego and Harmattan aren't the future - they are victims of corporate politics and too much dependency on non trustworthy backers. The only things that will move on are Mer and Tizen (with Tizen having the same potential risks and lack of trust as Maemo, Meego, Harmattan and co). Choose yourself.
MeeGo (proper) can (or at least could) be installed in the N900. IMO years of development, no advancement. Seems to be more of a hobby for a few geeks than an OS meant to be used for everyday tasks. It doesn't even look like Nokia was into it at all.
In the end it is not a question if the OS is dead or not. It definitely is dead. It is a question of relevance. MeeGo has always been irrelevant, even from the very beginning.
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2012-03-12
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Originally Posted by slashd0t
To be blunt, Nokia is saying one thing, and the media something else. Nokia aays that the software platform for mobile phones is Symbian (which is now outsourced to Accenture), and for "SmartDevices" the platform is Linux - and here Maemo was said. Then they announced the WP7 phone that they were to develop for Microsoft, and the media then reported this as Nokia's new platform. However, what Nokia has stated is that all WP7 devices are to be developed by Ericsson, so this is outsourced to their former competitor.
The short term strategy is windows phone, but, I'm not sure that it is their long term strategy.. No one really knows, but, I think it's pre-mature to call MeeGo actually dead..
Then Nokia has aquired the software company with the Qt technology / tools. This is based on KDE which is MeeGo. That journalists are ignorant ****s is no news to me, but that analysts with the large consulting companies base their results on hearsay is a shame. It is too easy to set up a web-site and write unfounded rumours and your own wishful thinking. The problem is that the search engines does not discriminate between Gartner and Strand, McKinsey and TomsOwn. I see many make assumptions here, that are based on hearsay, and not statement released by e.g. Nokia. I have every press release from Nokia, and taken my fight with Reuters. Use the term "what they say..." and separate this from the offocial statements made by the company.
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2012-03-12
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Originally Posted by specc
It's not dead. How do you define dead?
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In the end it is not a question if the OS is dead or not. It definitely is dead.
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2012-03-12
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Meego is dead, but Tizen is alive.
We just need to make ourselves heard in the World, so for example Samsung will want to make also phones with Tizen and not just tablets.
Sign the petition. Nokia (read: "Microsoft") won't care, but Samsung and others may:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82987
The World needs a real open source mobile OS. iOS and WP are not even close to be open and Android also is too closed and controlled really by USA's interests if they want to.
Last edited by zimon; 2012-03-12 at 18:47.
We just need to make ourselves heard in the World, so for example Samsung will want to make also phones with Tizen and not just tablets.
Sign the petition. Nokia (read: "Microsoft") won't care, but Samsung and others may:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82987
The World needs a real open source mobile OS. iOS and WP are not even close to be open and Android also is too closed and controlled really by USA's interests if they want to.
Last edited by zimon; 2012-03-12 at 18:47.
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