Xenon flash is very rare function in phones these days, so I am pretty much interested in that, but none of the normal phones, for normal people. I have a K850, with xenon flash, and beat up until now every phone with LED flash.

Also, the OS (WP) is not okay for a camera phone, not even Android (missing the 2step camera button).

A phone with a camera like that should come with a dedicated OS, mostly for pictures.

If they build such a phone @ reasonable price, I will buy it.

So, I saw on the news that they launched the new Lumia, any personal thoughts about it?

I even saw some pictures taken with it, and I am sorry to say this, but they are just average...

So, is it worse than 808 on the camera HW&SW then?

I don't really know, I can't really say that, never played with a 808, and neither I played yet on the new EOS so I can't really say.

But I saw some pics taken with the EOS on Facebook, and they looked just average. Windows Phone will never be a good OS for CAMERA PHONES, the camera software is just so... average. I even bought a professional app for pictures but still... the quality is average, nothing special...

I think the 808 is much better because on Symbian the image pre and post processing was better (had a Sony U5 HD, and yes, that phone's camera was special, and it was running on Symbian). But before I can really compare them, I would really love to play on both of them (I didn't see the 808 in my town in any retail shop...).

Some Of the 1020 pics don't look as good as they should imo, may have to do with the fact it doesn't have a dedicated chip for processing the images

After struggling with my A-GPS (died and haven't been able to get it back after phone died in power-save mode) and a tracker bug (got 3-4 SMS in rapid succession, then no SMS showed up. After restart all camera pics not showing up in gallery) over the last week, I am pretty pissed off at my N9. Patients for a Jolla is dwindling. iPhone 5S likely due this fall too. Checked out a friend's 1020 yesterday, it has the sleek N9 design, big screen, and the camera. Specs seem good. Big, but I think the hardware is nice. But Windows Phone and those stupid tiles. Not sure I can do it! Friend says he wants to put Sailfish on it, that seems like it could be quite a feat.