Slightly off topic for the current discussion, but please, explain something to me. The only 2 active council (current) members I've ever seen, are SD69 (thanks guy, You got to have really tough skin, but don't give up!) and Texrat (which now may be more interested in mico$oft phone...).

I don't want to judge too early on Texrat (despite he was active on his blog, with inability to check his Council PM account at the same time...) so lets leave his current absence alone. But, what about other members. I think no one is forced to remain Council member to the end - if one is not interested anymore, why not resign? It's not a way of man of honor to remain as inactive obstruction.

What is all that 3/5 inactivity about? they want to put "been Maemo Council representative for full cadence" into CV, or what?

Yes, i know it's a rant in some part, sorry about that Ho ever, at the same time, I would like to show my deepest respect for SD69, for acting like one man army and still being here, despite all frustrating things.

It was made very clear in that Tuesday meeting that we have to do it all ourselves. If there is someone in this community who knows their way around hackish scripts and SQL, we can probably get them access to the database (probably a Nemein ticket as said above).

You need to follow Dave Neary's instructions on the wiki:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_team...ng_an_election

Can anyone do this? Please? Volunteers?

It is all well and good to sit at your computer and complain about some vague council who isn't doing what you think they should be doing.

It is quite another thing to step up to the plate and say, "I can do this for you!"

(And hey, Estel, I'm somewhat active, no?)

Take my excuses qole, You're so active in many other areas, that I've totally forget about You being Council member. Shame on me, and excuse again.

Ho ever, as for other Council members (beside SD69, You, and Texrat), I can't even recall Their names without checking.

My post was not like "nasty Council isn't doing" - I mean that, if other 2 (3?) members are not interested, it would be much easier for Council to make decisions in group of 3 (2?), than dealing with "dead souls" obstruction.

Ok I was re-reading the logs from the IRC meeting:

IRC logs here

And X-Fade (paid maemo.org team) clearly steps up and offers to run the council election, but he says that the coding competition is just too much for him to do, and he doesn't believe a volunteer will be able to get access to all of the databases, etc. that are needed. He says the coding competition should use another voting mechanism.

So, they are paid for deciding what they will be doing, and what is too much exercise for them?

Do You still think that it's too early to make decision about cutting ties with nokia, and taking this whole mess on our own? No, really, it's plain joke. Even paid maintenance team doesn't respect it own customer, when "one who pay bills" made it clear that it's epilog.

*yawns* have you noticed that maemo.org is up and running? to me it seems that they are doing their job.

Thanks a lot. The IRC log was a very interesting reading. Haven't known about it.

We already prepared a lot of stuff for the Coding Competition election at our competition thread.
We got the users.csv file with all eMail Adresses, we got a draft for the instructions.txt (needs a review and we have to adapt some parts for each vote - or have to insert placeholder for text blocks if something like this exists) and we prepared all 9 *.sql files. So the most work should be already done. So no need to work a whole day for x-fade on this topic.

The problem is now the access, the needed knowledge and the security concerns. Als already said I'm very scared that it was that easy to get the users.csv without much discussion. I share in this point x-fades opinion. Nobody excepts the paid admins should have access to the servers.

If I understood Bergie correct the Council have now only to send a official request.
X-Fades concerns regarding the number of created EMails is correct. To reduce the load we could start each poll with 12 hours gap between. If I understood the *.SQL files correct we are able to setup this before. So nobody has to do this manually. 9 emails from maemo.org are a lot - but if we explain it in the first line of the instructions.txt I'm sure the users would be fine.

If we are unable to use the maemo.org infrastructure I guess we should try to setup our own server and take the user data we got from talk.maemo.org - personally I would prefer to elect a committee (Plan C) that selects the winners in a open discussion before we run again a catastrophically forum poll (Plan F ...or Z).

I got a reply for my PM from texrat:
So perhaps we collected 3 councils out of 5 to try to solve this issue...

Let's just agree to disagree here, especially, that it seems in alone in my opinion about this. Let's just say that IMO it's looking exactly opposite, still, no need for yaw work

I have a proposal which is posted in this topic.