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2009-05-27 , 18:56
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#601
Originally Posted by johnkzin View Post
I realize what you're saying ... but, frankly, the reason I'm here is for Maemo, not the tablets.

The N800 was great, as was the N810, but they aren't what "sold me" on the platform (and, frankly, while they're great devices, they're not THAT great). Maemo is what hooked me. And when I started looking toward other devices, isn't wasn't Maemo that caused me to drift away, it was the deficiencies of the tablets themselves (nothing bigger than a pocketable, and no pocketables that are also phones).

The thing I like about Mer, isn't "a new, up to date, OS for the tablets", it's the potential for an even more open version of Maemo, on more devices (ie. not just on the tablets).

If Mer doesn't duplicate the well integrated and consistent user interface of Maemo, and ends up looking like Ubuntu (or worse), I wont be interested. Why would I be? If I want to run Ubuntu on a MID, I'll run Ubuntu on a MID. To my mind, the value of both this community, and Mer, is Maemo. If Mer doesn't end up being like Maemo, it's worhtless to me. And if this community becomes just a legacy tablet enthusiast community (like a pocketable version of Edsel or Tucker car clubs), it will also be worthless to me.
I agree with just about everything there (the OS sold me more than the actual hardware, for instance) except that I was sold more on the prospect that it was a REAL full-on computing device with a Linux kernel and I could even drop to a console (xterm) to execute honest-to-goodness Linux commands to actually do real work with a little device that I could easily carry everywhere (unlike a MID or a netbook). I actually would welcome Ubuntu for that reason, but otherwise--it's the maemo and Linux kernel that sold me more than anything. The hardware was secondary--a strong secondary--but secondary just the same. If it'd been running anything less open (Windows Mobile, Symbian, etc.) the hardware wouldn't even have gotten a look from me or many of the folks I'd convinced to buy the N800's all along.
 

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2009-05-27 , 19:06
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#602
Originally Posted by fms View Post
Reading ebooks isn't a "niche", if you judge by the number of times FBReader has been downloaded, relative to other apps. And my "workflow" is basically loading and reading a text file off the screen.
In terms of what people do on a mobile device reading complete electronic books (e-books) is a niche.

By being pocketable, while still maintaining sufficiently sized screen. Neither Kindle nor a netbook are pocketable. And most pocketable devices (e.g. smartphones) have smallish screens (physically).
I fail to see why a iPhone 3G or iPod touch 2G would not be suitable for e-book reading while a Nokia N8x0 would be. I don't think the difference would be that big that a significant amount of people would instead buy the latter device.

Yes, I think it will, as long as the Nokia device is pocketable and includes other functions. Kindle is kinda useless for anything but reading books bought from Amazon.
Then why didn't we see the masses opting for this before or during the breakthrough of the Kindle?

Excuse me for laughing loud, but I have yet to see anyone using synchronization or UPnP in a mobile device. Not meaning any of the forum members, just considering live people I interact with. By comparison, lots of them read books on their mobile devices (phones, PDAs, Sony bookreaders).
Because you do not understand the definitions and are not able to imagine them applied.

Millions of people have used synchronization for several years with iTunes and their iPods. Synchronization is often server-side. For example with IMAP that is the case, and with Web 2.0 too. Google Calendar very same. UPnP-AV, DAAP, iCalendar all provide similar.

I don't see this massive e-book reading you're talking about, and if you say they use phones for that, then I wonder what size their screen is? And why for such a niche an external screen would not be suffice?
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2009-05-27 , 19:07
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#603
Originally Posted by luca View Post
Welcome to the sixties!
Nah, that would be "there are HJKL keys" - oh wait, that was the 70s. Maybe Harmattan devices will come with a punch card reader and there won't be any need for copy & paste: you make a typo, you start over ;-)
 

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2009-05-27 , 19:08
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#604
Nokia is a corporation and they are around for the business not for fun(even though I am sure their research labs are). Profits need to be shown at the table.
That is not what the community over here has collected for..., we should remind ourselves.. we are users and remain separate from the corporation that creates the products we use(yet somehow becoming a part of them too). Nokia is smart. They released a device open enough to attract outside developers and innovative thinkers and are going to be able to reap all the fruits of this playing field in their new products.

With the talent available around this board there very easily could be a custom designed tablet with an OS as well to boot...Anyone want to pull off a Craig here? or put feelers out to some enterprising business person in china? Ha.. We could form the ITT crowd.. float a company and define what the product should be, release specs to open bidders and then just go ahead and buy those products.... and have our own OS and our own development team ..and if the devices come out close to what standards are over here, We even think of selling into the open market by way of individual outreach to support the developers over here and make it worth while to stick around...
I should stop rambling...but am surely not smoking the same stuff as Nokia is anyways.

The new Nokia device would commercially be in the best interests of Nokia and I would love to have an indication of the price they will come in at. But,I am thoroughly disappointed with the specs shown and going to reserve my spending not for that device but an alternative tablet which I hope will be available in a few months.When I need a phone upgrade I will possibly look at that time.. The tablets utility value is tremendous and one that can not be replaced by a device with a smaller screen.

..only Ukko will know
..suprise suprise ..Nokia has just announced a tablet..
...and the dreams will begin again....
 

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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
In terms of what people do on a mobile device reading complete electronic books (e-books) is a niche.

And why for such a niche an external screen would not be suffice?
Where would the external screen come from? Would we carry it in our back pockets?

This e-book thing is a pretty BIG niche, I think. And as long as the Kindle is black and white, there is a big opening for competition.
 

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2009-05-27 , 19:24
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
In terms of what people do on a mobile device reading complete electronic books (e-books) is a niche.
Pretty much anything people do on a mobile device can be called a niche. Playing games is a niche. Listening to music is a niche. Using PIM is a niche. So, I am not sure what exactly are you trying to say by calling book reading a niche.

I fail to see why a iPhone 3G or iPod touch 2G would not be suitable for e-book reading while a Nokia N8x0 would be.
Physical screen size and pixel count.

Then why didn't we see the masses opting for this before or during the breakthrough of the Kindle?
Why do you call Kindle a breakthrough? I have not seen a single Kindle being used so far. I am seeing lots of Sony readers, a few Chinese models, but where is Kindle?

Millions of people have used synchronization for several years with iTunes and their iPods.
Meanwhile, tens of millions plugged their Chinese music players into a PC as USB mass storage devices and copied music directly, without having to "sync".

Synchronization is often server-side. For example with IMAP that is the case, and with Web 2.0 too. Google Calendar very same. UPnP-AV, DAAP, iCalendar all provide similar.
This is some bunch of buzzwords I, as a user, do not feel like caring about. Additinally, very few of them occur in real life. Yea, I had to use IMAP on few occasions. It is that thing that makes Modest hang and crash, isn't it?

I don't see this massive e-book reading you're talking about, and if you say they use phones for that, then I wonder what size their screen is? And why for such a niche an external screen would not be suffice?
(slowly, as if explaining to a child) They use whatever phones they have got, usually WinMobile devices with 640x480 or 320x240 screens (Glofish being pretty popular, also HTC/iMate/etc.). It is not possible to use "external screen" because there are no "external screens" on a subway train. I am not even sure where you are coming from with this concept.
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Originally Posted by Jaffa View Post
Hmm, I've just had a realisation: it doesn't look like my perfect device (in fact, it's moving away from it in terms of form factor) - but if I was offered one at the right price, it's still something I want.
I guess you managed to pick up a G1?

I think this is an undertone that a lot of us are currently feeling. The device doesn't impress (at the moment!!) but as tablet users we all want one.

Imagine a hardcore Palm Treo user seeing then next best thing from Palm is the Palm Pre, I bet every one of them is salivating at the prospect. There isn't that perception with the tablet. Maybe that's because Nokia are holding their cards very close or maybe because the next tablet is more of an evolution rather than an evolution? Either way, we are members of a great community that is built around these tablets and without a doubt, we will all at least contemplate buying the next device regardless of what it has to offer.
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#608
Originally Posted by Peter@Maemo Marketing View Post
And the influence of Maemo Software will actually grow starting from 1st of June when we will become Maemo Devices, when our hardware, software and product integration folks are joined to one unit being able to work together even better and faster.
That is really important, good news. Front page of maemo.org news.

I just wanted to quote it again for anyone who missed it.

Wow.
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Originally Posted by lma View Post
Nah, that would be "there are HJKL keys" - oh wait, that was the 70s. Maybe Harmattan devices will come with a punch card reader and there won't be any need for copy & paste: you make a typo, you start over ;-)
I'd predict that suicide and homicide rates would rise.
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Why do you call Kindle a breakthrough? I have not seen a single Kindle being used so far. I am seeing lots of Sony readers, a few Chinese models, but where is Kindle?
I saw a Kindle during my recent two-week cruise. It was impressive, and I wanted one.

And several of my friends have them, and rave about them.

You have probably read that newspapers are folding left and right. What are their readers going to do? They are going to be reading online, more and more. A lot of them are getting Kindles. I don't think they are going to rush out and get an N900.

I long ago invented a maxim that I have never really tried to put into practice, but it is still good I think:

"One way to win is to go where there is no competition."

That is where Amazon went with the size of the Kindle (and black and white), I think. It found a profitable niche.

A niche that is not being explored today is that once taken by the Rex 6000, a credit-card sized near-computer I bought in 2000. You could download from the Internet and do other cool things. Today's equivalent would be wireless, etc. That would be a niche where there is no competition right now.

A color Kindle-sized book reader etc. would be another place where there is no competition right now.

And then there is the Internet Tablet niche, being vacated by Nokia. They had a spot where there was no competition and are abandoning it, for now anyway.
 
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