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Tizen will never be THE competitor to Windows...or Ios...or Android....they will always be relegated to a position behind the leader....far behind....
It is the nature of the market.
Even though a major corp is behind tizen...
It is too alien for the public at this point...possibly for a long time to come.
Toe to toe...
whatever is going to contend with the industry leaders...
MUST look and perform (at least on the surface) just like the competitors...otherwise the public will not glam to it..
too radically a change from the offered norm will not fly.
line up home screen shots of out of the box android, ios, and wp ..
and there really isn't a lot of differences with what you are looking at...
They all scream they are offering a unique experience while selling the exact same thing as the other..
I don't think it is even a good sales pitch frankly...
Last edited by endsormeans; 2017-01-03 at 05:21.
It is the nature of the market.
Even though a major corp is behind tizen...
It is too alien for the public at this point...possibly for a long time to come.
Toe to toe...
whatever is going to contend with the industry leaders...
MUST look and perform (at least on the surface) just like the competitors...otherwise the public will not glam to it..
too radically a change from the offered norm will not fly.
line up home screen shots of out of the box android, ios, and wp ..
and there really isn't a lot of differences with what you are looking at...
They all scream they are offering a unique experience while selling the exact same thing as the other..
I don't think it is even a good sales pitch frankly...
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
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PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
And if somebody like Jolla really did come up with a UI innovation that was clearly superior and embraced by consumers, then Adroid+iOS+Windoze would just copy it, patents be damned.
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line up home screen shots of out of the box android, ios, and wp ..
and there really isn't a lot of differences with what you are looking at...
They all scream they are offering a unique experience while selling the exact same thing as the other..
I don't think it is even a good sales pitch frankly...
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Originally Posted by endsormeans
Gebick is completely right...
After years of intelligent developers and corps banging their heads collectively against consumer desire...
...If any linux handheld is going to fly....
what we need to do is dress the wolf up in sheep's clothing.
Make it a wicked and complex hacking device ...sure...
Just don't tell the public.
...Also it should appear hobbled...
Code:
Android apps rumoured not always supported...
In fact....whatever is done...
DON'T call it linux...
like android has done....
at best call it ...
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Code:
DebWin7
or (maybe, please throw no rocks)
Code:
iFaceBerry
Code:
WinDruid
(there exist global experts at coming up with cheesy names in HK)
As well it should have issues ...bugs...etc...
just like ios and windows...
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Code:
Libreoffice always has some formatting glitch...
Also create an over exaggerated amount of publicized hype about just "how great" something or other is about it..
Code:
full permanent license Office - complete suite preinstalled full permanent license Linphone preinstalled - free phone calls full permanent license AntiVirus protection security preinstalled
Finally ...just as android has a "developer mode"
I think utilizing such a concept ...
that with a very deliberate and hidden sequence of password commands...
Code:
sudo-gainroot-maemo
said perfect bland linux contender to fight on par with the other "Pablum Phones" ...transforms ...unlocks ...and voila!
the facade drops away to reveal a wicked linux hacker phone that simply cannot be compared to.
And so the grand game of handheld devices is played and won utilizing mimicry and camouflage...
... change the rules of engagement.
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http://www.computermagazine.com/synd...-market-share/
Tizen poised to overtake Windows Phone
https://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/05...uring-q3-2015/
Tizen surpasses Blackberry as fourth largest smartphone
https://www.strategyanalytics.com/st...e-next-5-years
Tizen will grow fast, but Android will remain dominant
The future is bright my friends, at least more bright than it is Sailfish or Windows Phone
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Tizen poised to overtake Windows Phone
https://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/05...uring-q3-2015/
Tizen surpasses Blackberry as fourth largest smartphone
https://www.strategyanalytics.com/st...e-next-5-years
Tizen will grow fast, but Android will remain dominant
The future is bright my friends, at least more bright than it is Sailfish or Windows Phone
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Originally Posted by gerbick
I agree. I don't see the allure in Tizen either, no matter that it's built upon Linux. To me it just seems horrible platform. My opinion might be based on old information, but I haven't heard anything that would have changed my mind since it initially came out.
Tizen is EFL. I'm not sold there either. And knowing Samsung's culture, it's a hard sell for me until I see otherwise.
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EFL is optional. You can utilize other APIs. QT, Clutter, or GTK etc. can probably be used it's just that the Tizen developers didn't put the effort to add it. Tizen being a full GNU Linux system with Wayland can utilize any APIs that Wayland has access to. To my knowledge there is a community qt port to Tizen. Most likely the application would just bundle the libraries and share them with other applications that use w particular library
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Originally Posted by railroadmaster
Are you sure about that? This seems to point to a different thought.
EFL is optional.
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There was a time I used enlightenment as my desktop UI but that was a long long time ago, when the alternative was mwm IIRC.
It was quite OK then but time has passed by and alternatives have gained while e has gone nowhere really.
That's pretty much wht I think Tizen is like, really. Too little, too late.
It was quite OK then but time has passed by and alternatives have gained while e has gone nowhere really.
That's pretty much wht I think Tizen is like, really. Too little, too late.
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hahaaha
perfect!
theonelaw's breakdown of my "Bizzaro World" logic on how to sneakily get Linux handheld to become the mainstream point man...is perfect.
Windruid ....like that name...
And juice ...
y'know I was thinking of "e" during all the talking ...
I liked 16 ...and 17 ...
went back to "e" not long ago enjoyed it..
but there was some itch it didn't quite scratch...again..
...not quite sure what to make of more recent versions yet...
can't say I love them...
The last few years now ...
I have been going back to basics ...
windowmaker...
...icewm and fvwm and their deriv's...like crystal...and such...
and I have been finding I enjoy and appreciate them more than ever ...with their flexibility and simplicity ..
One distro which has me mucking about now and again ..
is BBQ linux....
just to "feel" my way around all the various enviro's ...
see which combinations hit my sweet tooth...
Last edited by endsormeans; 2017-01-03 at 18:39.
perfect!
theonelaw's breakdown of my "Bizzaro World" logic on how to sneakily get Linux handheld to become the mainstream point man...is perfect.
Windruid ....like that name...
And juice ...
y'know I was thinking of "e" during all the talking ...
I liked 16 ...and 17 ...
went back to "e" not long ago enjoyed it..
but there was some itch it didn't quite scratch...again..
...not quite sure what to make of more recent versions yet...
can't say I love them...
The last few years now ...
I have been going back to basics ...
windowmaker...
...icewm and fvwm and their deriv's...like crystal...and such...
and I have been finding I enjoy and appreciate them more than ever ...with their flexibility and simplicity ..
One distro which has me mucking about now and again ..
is BBQ linux....
just to "feel" my way around all the various enviro's ...
see which combinations hit my sweet tooth...
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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3-nexus 5's : 1 w/ Floko Pie 9.1 (running beautifully) waiting for Stable Droid 10 rom, 1 w/ ̶Ubuntu Touch, 1 with Maru OS (intend maemo leste when ready)
1/2 - neo900 pre- "purchased" in 2013. N̶o̶w̶ ̶A̶w̶a̶i̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶u̶n̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶o̶c̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶s̶t̶ ̶f̶e̶w̶ ̶y̶e̶a̶r̶s̶ - neo900 start up declared officially dead -
Lost invested funds.
PIMP MY N8X0 (Idiot's Guide and a video walkthrough)http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94294
THE LOST GRONMAYER CATALOGShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ight=gronmayer
N8X0 VIDEO ENCODING THE EASY WAYhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=mediacoder
242gb ON N800http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90634
THE PAIN-FREE MAEMO DEVELOPMENT LIVE DISTRO-ISO FOR THE NOOB TO THE PROhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=95567
AFFORDABLE MASS PRODUCTION FOR MAEMO PARTShttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93325
Meateo balloons now available @ Dave999's Meateo Emporium
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If iOS were to fade away, why do you think Tizen would be successful, rather than Windoze Mobile (or whatever the hell they call it this week)? Tizen is clearly Samsung's baby, why would other manufacturers jump aboard? Microsoft would probably be happy to provide its OS to manufacturers without competing with them in the hardware sector.