http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/...000/2012-10-18

Doesn't look good.

rgds

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No problem there is european left for nokia to sell WP phones........
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Consider this: Nokia have picked their CEO and more recently the chief of not selling anything much from the North American market. They focus on american design and american software, they believe only american will survive in the phone OS market. In this market they manage to sell 300,000 cell phones in Q3.

In what they for some unfathomable reason deem their most important market for them. The board that chose Elop to conquer North America did a grave mistake. This North America marketshare envy has killed Nokia, efficiently.

They are selling 300,000 phones, only Lumia phones available, in Northern America. Under 3 million smart phones world wide.

Nokia has about 100,000 employees.

That's 10 smart phones per employee. Some of which are bought for the employees themselves.

Nokia can't survive like this. Maybe Microsoft Windows 8 has the ability to capture users in a way where Windows Phone 7.5, 7.0, Windows Mobile 6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5, 2003 SE, 2003, Pocket PC 2002, Pocket PC 2000, and all Windows CE variants before them, not to mention Microsoft Kin, failed utterly to capture users. If not, Nokia is gone. And the desperate thing for Nokia is, they can't even affect the outcome. Microsoft hold their loop over the gallows and Microsoft have already come out and said they want to make their own iPhones hardware now, which NOKIA.CEO just before announced that he, uhm, didn't believe would happen, surely.

Nokia's just burning through the assets now.

Meanwhile, in TMO, there are close to 1000 posts in the "Look what I drew on my phone" thread. This is just one of the signs of what kind of enthusiasm for a single model phone that didn't support multitouch, that wasn't slim, that didn't have a scratch resistant display, that didn't have a large app base, that wasn't a very polished experience, Nokia can only dream about ever again.

The Nokia N900 was my Nokia phone. I don't expect I'll be having any more.

Maybe that was exacly what US investors wanted from begining. Just look at it now. USA now owns more patents from european. Most because EU is broken peace of **** and where we prefer sell out everything instead of keep our innovations.

You're not making sense in the least...?

If I read you right, you're suggesting that investors would put good money into Nokia to influence the board to get Nokia to collapse? To... something something patents something nationality?

The error you all are doing is to mix unrelated issues together. Nokia had loads of problems, unrelated but ultimately rooted in poor management over several years. When the iPhone and Android came, Nokia had no way to answer.

The Lumia 920 will actually do rather well. Not a smash hit like the iPhone, but enough to keep Nokia alive together with Asha. Buuuut maybe Nokia should consider making androids instead of those ashas before it is too late. S40 has limited future.

Excellent go and say this to Elop so he can kill the last cash-cow Nokia has ...


Did you even go out of your house to see why Asha sells? Well from what I've asked people in India these are the reasons:

- Nice & trendy designs

- Nice looking software

- Durable hardware

- Enough apps for their purposes

- Easy to use (People who are not tech-savvy can do exactly what they want without having to ask around much)

- Cheap, Modern & Fast (Perfect upgrade from regular Nokia/China OEM featurephones)

- Its a NOKIA!


Now tell me going with Android how would you have nice looking software, easy to use and fast OS on that cheap hardware? Remember the Asha uses A11 chips that are clocked at 1Ghz which is clearly insufficient for Android...

People who are not tech-savvy want something they can just use and that just works at a low budget and Asha is perfect for them...I agree S40 is not what we would seriously use but then for these people they take a picture click send via bluetooth and done; they don't need to find and debug why their Android is acting up...


Yes, Android has more apps and is better for the long-term on proper hardware but then in a country with a low wage even $10 is a huge amount when considering between competing phones...

Asha phones and Android phones are in different segments. For now. Android phones and Windows phones are in the same segment. Sort of.

Hi Volt

I didn't realise it was this bad.

quote: "Maybe Microsoft Windows 8 has the ability to capture users in a way where Windows Phone 7.5, 7.0, Windows Mobile 6.5, 6.1, 6.0, 5, 2003 SE, 2003, Pocket PC 2002, Pocket PC 2000, and all Windows CE variants before them, not to mention Microsoft Kin, failed utterly to capture users."

Not forgetting at a slight tangent Microsoft are failing dismally in search with Bing and the total failure of Zune.

I am reasonably confident Surface will go the same way as Zune.

Specc is quite frankly wrong with his baseless assertion that anyone who chooses to support Maemo in a Maemo forum must be a troll and that

Quote: "The point here is they are NOT doing the SAME thing over again. WP8 IS totally different than WP7x. All you trolls have pointed to that ..."

Is quite a bizarre statement of self-delusion given that Microsoft is now on less than 2% of all phones given the totality of the history of versions that Volt has listed and this dropping from roughly 1 in 4 devices nearly 10 years ago.

Clearly Microsoft are doing more of the same thing and equally clearly it isn't working.

How is one more version of WPanything going to achieve even a tiny fraction of the market as it stands?

It is inevitable that closed source mentality is driving (has already driven) foreclosure in that market as developers gravitate towards more open platforms since they can quite simply do more things.

The evidence is that Android is flourishing and that Maemo and its progeny is still alive and kicking despite Elops best efforts and may have a bright future in Jolla.

Whereas Microsoft is not and has not been "kewl" for a very long time.

rgds

In between Apple introducing the iPhone and Elop deprecating Symbian/MeeGo NOKIA's sales of smart devices nearly doubled from 15 million per quarter to over 28 million per quarter. That's a verifiable fact.

I'm not denying NOKIA had problems, ugly outdated hardware with slow processors, tiny droplets of RAM and no gpu but their problems were not insurmountable until they exclusively adopted a third-party OS that had already failed in the market place.


Why will it do well? What's different to previous Lumias?


I also think the Ashas have a limited future but because of J2ME rather than S40. At this end of the market Meltemi/Qt (or even Symbian) would have been a better solution than Android though.