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Wallstreet Journal showing Nokia love?
Meanwhile, New Scientist reports that an older Nokia handset, the N900, has become the first smartphone to power a brain scanner.
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...ogle_news_blog
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Meanwhile, New Scientist reports that an older Nokia handset, the N900, has become the first smartphone to power a brain scanner.
http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...ogle_news_blog
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I posted that 24hrs ago 
But the direct new scientist article.
Interesting to see WSJ running with it though, along w/a positive spin in general on N9/900/Nokia/MeeGo.
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But the direct new scientist article.Interesting to see WSJ running with it though, along w/a positive spin in general on N9/900/Nokia/MeeGo.
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Originally Posted by jalyst
Yes, the articles (also on arstechnica, if i'm not mistaken), were mostly that the Netbook Moblin/MeeGo booted really quickly and performance was very good (optimized for atom). A lot of "quickboot" trick were later also adopted in most other linux distributions.
Moblin actually did have a rep. at the time (for some form-factors) when it comes to Linux.
I recall several extensive writes-up from sites like phoronix that felt it stood-out from anything else around at the time.
This was before the tie-up....
It did have some good stuff to bring to the table, I can't recall it all now, pretty sure power management was part of it.
But I always thought the reviewers were way to easy on the OS, and doubt they actually used it for a long period of time.
I tried Moblin on my netbook even before any partnership with Nokia was announced, and continued to try the updates (and MeeGo Netbook UX) since. It never lasted long on my netbook, and I quickly reverted back to Linux Mint.
Moblin/MeeGo netbook UX was/is buggy, incompatible and incomplete and not suitable for any end user. imho.
Maemo was always based on relatively old debian components (because originally it was one of the very few distros to support ARM), so I could understand that they wanted a different solution.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris
Free brain scan? - o/
Who in this thread needs a brain scan?
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Originally Posted by IcyMoustache
Unless there's something not quite right about it... maybe afraid of also getting sued by Oracle (like Google) if they release it? Thus, it would make sense that they would INSIST that Nokia be the customer buying for their handsets so that they can share the responsibility in a lawsuit? I don't know.. I just find it odd that they didn't sell it as a product to customers back when they supposedly had one for the N900 already.
From a Myriad's perspective, this is the single most important moment in defining the future greatness of their company... truly... they can either sit back as kings and wait for Nokia to ask them to help; or put in some intelligent hack for Alien Dalvik on Harmattan core...
The latter will mean a sureshot path to their success, and hope they are sensible enough to follow it.
Originally Posted by abill_uk
Customers aren't treated well either--THAT also hurts the individual developers who hope to sell to prospective consumers. Nokia is failing from top to bottom. Incredible.
Bernard your posts speaks volumes as it is sad to read that keen developers are just not being treated in a good way at all, more so why the many are now reporting meego as dead.
Originally Posted by Bernard
The problem was choosing to play the open-source card... then doing their damnest to close it up as tight as they could manage within decent time--even REPEATEDLY choosing components that weren't open-source friendly. They put so much effort into writing closed-source applications on top of the OS that you couldn't even remove without damaging the OS's functionality. Their failure can be chalked up to simply closed-minded behavior pretending to be open-minded. They wanted community but they did everything to ignore it--they don't even officially host anything Maemo, and don't bother to listen to customers or read forums. They puffer up openness but they refused to open up code and didn't want to fix many things that were reported as bugs/requests. There weren't regular security updates and you couldn't depend on Nokia for contracts, support or even spare parts.
But as it turns out building your own linux distribution from scratch isn't a very easy task, as was the development of SDK, UX and application set.
Simply put, they pretended to adopt Linux but they didn't actually adopt any of the successful methodologies from Linux that have benefited commercial entities like Red Hat, Canonical, IBM and so on.
MeeGo SEEMED like a move in the right direction--but I *KNEW* early on that they would screw this up. I remember saying repeatedly that I LIKED what I kept hearing about it, and it was a great hope--but I couldn't shake the feeling that they'd screw it up big one way or another. So far, that appears to be the case.
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Originally Posted by Bernard
It was def. ahead of the curve in some fundamental areas (mostly hw "optimisationy" IIRC) 18mth+ back.
Yes, the articles (also on arstechnica, if i'm not mistaken), were mostly that the Netbook Moblin/MeeGo booted really quickly and performance was very good (optimized for atom). A lot of "quickboot" trick were later also adopted in most other linux distributions.
But I always thought the reviewers were way to easy on the OS, and doubt they actually used it for a long period of time.
I tried Moblin on my netbook even before any partnership with Nokia was announced, and continued to try the updates (and MeeGo Netbook UX) since. It never lasted long on my netbook, and I quickly reverted back to Linux Mint.
Moblin/MeeGo netbook UX was/is buggy, incompatible and incomplete and not suitable for any end user. imho.
But not too sure about now, I haven't been following it closely at all since then.
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Originally Posted by danramos
You could not have said that any better if you tried ...... well said !!!!.
Unless there's something not quite right about it... maybe afraid of also getting sued by Oracle (like Google) if they release it? Thus, it would make sense that they would INSIST that Nokia be the customer buying for their handsets so that they can share the responsibility in a lawsuit? I don't know.. I just find it odd that they didn't sell it as a product to customers back when they supposedly had one for the N900 already.
Customers aren't treated well either--THAT also hurts the individual developers who hope to sell to prospective consumers. Nokia is failing from top to bottom. Incredible.
The problem was choosing to play the open-source card... then doing their damnest to close it up as tight as they could manage within decent time--even REPEATEDLY choosing components that weren't open-source friendly. They put so much effort into writing closed-source applications on top of the OS that you couldn't even remove without damaging the OS's functionality. Their failure can be chalked up to simply closed-minded behavior pretending to be open-minded. They wanted community but they did everything to ignore it--they don't even officially host anything Maemo, and don't bother to listen to customers or read forums. They puffer up openness but they refused to open up code and didn't want to fix many things that were reported as bugs/requests. There weren't regular security updates and you couldn't depend on Nokia for contracts, support or even spare parts.
Simply put, they pretended to adopt Linux but they didn't actually adopt any of the successful methodologies from Linux that have benefited commercial entities like Red Hat, Canonical, IBM and so on.
MeeGo SEEMED like a move in the right direction--but I *KNEW* early on that they would screw this up. I remember saying repeatedly that I LIKED what I kept hearing about it, and it was a great hope--but I couldn't shake the feeling that they'd screw it up big one way or another. So far, that appears to be the case.
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Try it, Dan. You know you've gotta.
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Originally Posted by danramos
Hmm you might have a point there....
Unless there's something not quite right about it... maybe afraid of also getting sued by Oracle (like Google) if they release it? Thus, it would make sense that they would INSIST that Nokia be the customer buying for their handsets so that they can share the responsibility in a lawsuit? I don't know.. I just find it odd that they didn't sell it as a product to customers back when they supposedly had one for the N900 already
In any case we still haven't heard a peep from them.
Given zilch has happend at this late stage...
I think we can kiss goodbye to it ever happening, sadly
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